Whoa ... I am surprised at the large amount of replies to my post. Wow.

So I wonder if Nerevar did die, or maybe he just ... stepped out. Maybe he stayed alive, working behind the scenes somehow, placing the Moon and Star ring in the Cave of the Incarnate himself!

Or ... doesn't the disappearance of the dwarves happen at the same time as the battle at red mountain? Maybe Nerevar was (accidently?) whisked away with the Dwemer, to where ever they went?

Of course, that doesn't explain moon and star being in the Cave of the Incarnate, unless it somehow was left behind, not teleported along with him and Dwemer.

Anyway, thanks for all of the replies.

Nah. Nerevar died, by Vehk's hand. At least he was the main one holding the knife.

Zombies are generally bodies without souls. So Nerevar being a bonewalker is a very likely concept. But I dont think that even the greatest of Necromancers would be willing to preserve Nerevars corpse for 4000 years, (Divayth Fyr?) But you may have turned him into a Telekinesis potion in the game and not realized it. (Bonemeal, alchemy.)

Ah, the Eternal, am I or am I not Nerevar? Better than, 'You ARE an agent of the gods! Even if you are an escaped prisoner, and Listener of the Dark Brotherhood!!" I like the fact that I meet two interesting Necromancers in Morrowind, and the only one wearing black is Divayth Fyr. Rather than have the image of an evil black-robed Breton in some remote Fortress automatically attacking me.

Sigh...

So if Nerevar was turned into a bonewalker by the Tribunal, the people who betrayed him, wouldn't it be doing him a favor by offing his old bones?

Not really..it's only a body, and his spirit's already incarnated again several times.

"Several times" ? Yes, many people have claimed to be Nerevar reincarnated, but none of them were really. Because the first tests are performed by judging the person themselves, they may seem to be suitable as Nerevarine, but the final test to say so, trying to wear Moon-and-Star, killed the all, from Peakstar to the rest.

You however managed to wear it, meaning that you are the true Nerevarine, Nerevar reincarnated.

You can claim to be his incarnation, but it weren't true for them lot, and they be dead now, see ...

....Nooooo. I'll admit my Morrowind MQ knowledge is hazy right now (replaying it currently), but I don't recall any of them, let alone all, saying they put on the ring.

They, or at least some, in the Cavern http://www.imperial-library.info/tsomw/mw_10.shtml (http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/noteshuleeya.shtml). I'll personally say that that could be open to debate as to whether or not that can be true, for Wise Woman Nibasi (sp?) tells you you are one who can BECOME the Incarnate, not necessarily one who already IS. Remember: you can disavow any idea that you are Nerevar Reborn before the fight with Dagoth Ur, thus negating that you are TRULY Nerevarine if you do so.

Which brings us to the age-old dichotomy of fate vs. free will, made all the more interesting in the Elder Scrolls universe.

Personally, I'd like to think that the PC is Nerevar reborn whether you chose to accept it or not. I find it hard to believe that something like that would just 'slip by' Azura, much less Vehk, who, like it or not, is a true god in his own right.

I'm sure we could say that she had some influence in the appearance(s) of the Incarnates.

You can shrug off the responsibility, or simply state that you don't believe it, but there's a difference between what we believe to be true, and what actually is true. The simple fact that you can wear One-Clan-Under-Moon-and-Star signifies that you are Nerevar reborn, whether you acknowledge or accept it, or not.

You can say "No, I'm not the Nerevarine." just as easily as you say "No, I didn't kill that person." However, if you are the Nerevarine, or you did kill that person, then in any case, your word doesn't count, for you are simply lying, or fooling yourself with a simpler idea, that your mind can more easily comprehend.

It's all about psychology and that jazz, but your word CANNOT negate the truth, nothing can; so if you are the Nerevarine, then I'm sorry to say ... you are. End of story ...

The player has a choice, he can kill dagoth ur without fulfilling any profhicies, And WAke up! Azura isn't exactly a holy defender of all that is good, how do we know its Moon-and-star? Azura gave it to you and for one thing i doubt i'd trust her if she was capable of waterface.

For the whole thing azura could have been playing ou, the cavern with spirits=Deara made to look like mortals, The wise woman a worhipper of hers, vehk simply mistake.

The question is...Do you belive you are nerevar, its your choice.

So if Nerevar was turned into a Bonewalker is it possible that he's still around somewhere, guarding some Indoril ancestral tomb?

No.

I might not have said this earlier in the thread (too lazy to look. Shoot me.), but Nibasi (sp?) states herself that you aren't the Nerevarine, but can--keyword: CAN--become it. But hey, whatever: she's just some chick; let's just say her word doesn't mean crap for the record. As lackadasical memory recollection tells me, about EIGHT other sum'[censored]es appeared and died saying they were the Nerevarine as well; it might just be me, but this, and along with the actual fact that you can DENY it (MK has even noted this fact), makes me question whether or not there really is, or can be, a TRUE Nerevarine.

The Nerevarine was supposed to kill the Tribunal, was he not? Why is Vehk still alive? Sure, you can chock up events like the Trial to being unofficial lore, but I'd rather not http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=857215&st=40, like the Sload Soap thread.

:dmc:

No, he was supposed to free the Tribunal, which he did, by eliminating their greatest enemy.

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I think a good number of people are still thinking Azura is good. These same people are also forgetting that Azura is a Daedra. And a "heshe-[female dog in heat] [one who could perform feilatious acts for monetary gain]-scamp." Heh...

I've found a few links that blantantly give the gist of what I've said: http://www.imperial-library.info/mwbooks/zainsubanisnotes.shtml and http://www.imperial-library.info/book_daedra/index.shtml#azura. http://www.imperial-library.info/characters/trial_vivec.shtml, Vehk also states that Azura had influence over the deaths of Ayem and Seht; I doubt she would show any favoritism towards the one who, more than likely, spearheaded the plan to kill Nerevar.

edit: I hate the censor sometimes. I shall replace the censor tags with euphemisms to make sure all know what I said. Your welcome.

Course they do. She's the first and last guiding voice you'll hear in the game, and everyone is drawn to mother-figures.

Look closer, now look closlyeir, Now look closyerer

You will see that she was using the nerevarine the whole time for her own selfish vengence.

This is subjective as anyone is really only using anything through their entire life as a way to postpone death, or more easily said, struggle.
In any way, we could have been being used, but also could have been using her, too. If you were a commoner, and suddenly Azura came up to you and told you that you were the Incarnate, you wouldn't simply shy away, would you?
May she goofed up, and it wasn't meant to be you, but you took the opportunity to make yourself damn famous anyway. And yes, gods CAN mess up. Azura and the Box is a moot point, even, but better is to say...look at Landfall.

There is only so much one can take from upon this thread to see that him being a Bonewalker in Necrom is quite the honor. Like Egyptians, the Dunmare seem to take quite a respect to their dead. Mummification, assimilation, and good old-fashioned dance parties as the spirit rises back to the Dream Sleeve, it's all relevant to each other. The worse fate that Nerevar could have (and did) faced was his own early demise at the Heart Chamber inside Red Mountain, anon Vvardenfell, Shield of the (other?)World. Maybe he would have rather died by the hand of his own mentor, however, than by the hand of a
'lowly' Dwemer or Sixth House agent, who were no-doubt looking frantically for them when someone said 'Hey, where's the general?'

I, personally, wouldn't mind roaming the halls of Necrom. Braziers filled with the bones of the deceased, halls of shadowed sooths, and those Mourning Ordinators...oh, it's enough to make me ask Vivec to do me in as well. But aside from that, there is little more to say that anything lesser did happen to him. All-in-all, very good way to go. At least he died in vane, right?
Wait a minute...

Vehk wasn't his mentor those are merely have lies have truth from the sermons.

And vehk the god didn't murder him.

Yes, I know. :huh:

She's still a guiding voice, regardless.

I never said you didn't.

I merely implied it.

Vivec was his mentor, Sermons aside. Nerevar had a deep understanding with him, and you cannot deny that. Truth to benevolence is that Vivec doesn't really 'lie' in the sermons (unless hes fire mask is on. Then, WATCH OUT!), he just likes to absorb himself into his own truths. Or, the truths of others. Or, the half-truths of others, to be on the spot. It's not hard to assume that he knows what he's doing, considering he even finds himself so condescending some times. I bet Cyrus thought he got the best of him, too. But that's besides the point.

And I never specified which did kill him. But, he's still dead, so left hand or right hand, doesn't matter. He's still gone. And he may or may not admit it (depending on how you take his words), but he also probably did it single-handedly. I'm sure Almalexia and Sotha Sil just watched the door and whistled a healthy tune while it went on.