Could it be possible they were the same person? Perhaps the Nerevarine crashed in Summerset Isles and was sent to prison for killing several people in the crash? The gods cast a shadow of anyonomity over him and he was given a new life, drained of his power?

Only the player themselves can tell whether or not the Champion of Cyrodiil is the Nerevarine or not, though it is hard to explain that one would lose all their ability gain from being the Nerevarine.

In my case, both are way different entity with each of their own personality.

Is it possible? It is, but it's very unlikely. Regardless, it's the player's decision to make.

That's pretty constructed...

The way I see it, the Nerevarine was a tool of Azura after all. And Azura wasn't very involved in the Oblivion Crisis thing. Why would she send him there?

Perhaps he rebelled against Azura?

My personal 'official' Nerevarine, CoC and Madgod are all three of them separate people, who I think would actually rather dislike one another, and my Champion is actually one of a handful of a group rather than a lone hero. But that's up to the player to decide, of course.

By Bethesda Official Standards, the Nerevarine is in Akavir during the events of the Oblivion Crisis, and both CoC and Madgod are the same person, if that's what you're asking, though.

As for the Champion of Cyrodiil being the Madgod, I think he actually went insane and is in the fetal position in the corner somewhere thinking all of this.

Hahaha! The truth about the SI expansion: It takes place in your head. You're really in an asylum after the mental trauma of the Crisis. It's all a lie and the cake is out to get you.

Don't even talk about the cake... Cake killed my entire family. *looks at pie* awww, you're so sweet. *glances at cake* AHHHH!

Well, that could potentially be explained, but it would take some thought to come up with a plausible explanation, I mean, your items could have just been taken from you when you were sent to prison, but losing all your skills and attributes wouldn't be quite so easy, I'm also not sure what happened to the Nerevarine's corprus disease, I mean, at the end of Morrowind, while the negative effects of corprus disease are gone, you still have the disease immunity and presumably the long lifespan as well, and I don't believe that something happened to remove that too. Still, if you want them to be the same character, I supose that as long as you can adress any oncinsistencies that might create, you can decide whoever your characters are. But I don't think the canon Nerevarine and Champion of Cyrodiil are meant to be the same person, most likely, it is as we've heard, that the Nerevarine went to Akavir. Why? What did the Nerevarine do there? Is he still there? Did he even make it there? These we don't know, but we can probably assume the Nerevarine did indeed go to Akavir.

Oh definitely. Story like going to Akavir or stump by Megatron or becoming god usually indicate to the fanbase base that Beth is not going to place these guys ingame and not reveal their race/age/race/profession/etc that would otherwise piss off other people's view of their PC.

Gods appear in all the games. B)

Anyway, the past two have been involved in divine and god-like stuff. A change makes sense. Nerevarine may want to resemble Nerevar, as a show of his awesomeness. CoC will change... to be more insane? :shrug:

I'm not actually bothered about the inclusion of past PC's in the next games, it's just not something that has to be ruled out. (And Sheogorath will have to be in another game, whether we like it or not)

On that last point, I'm assuming that Haskill will become the new voice of Sheogorath. It would actually be more amusing, in my opinion, having a dull monotone assign you to replace someone's prized possession with a wheel of cheese and paint all their livestock pink or whatever

Isn't that the premise of LOST?

I'm confused, now.

Sheogorath shouldn't be classified by words like this. :nope:

Eh, easily handwaved away by quickly written lore. After all taking up the position of a Daedra lord probably involves getting the ability to show up looking however you feel like looking considering Sheogorath has never had a particularly consistent appearance in the series they could just write that the player character Madgod ended up the same.

actually the jail thing helps with this the longer in jail the more skilsl you lose

maybe the jail ship between cyrodril and morrowind was so long you lose everything ?

With my OB character, he is the son of the Nerevarine and his consort/bodyguard. His circumstances for being in prison were like his father's, most likely set up by some dishonest or nefarious character. The beauty of using the OB character generator was that I was able to make is face a decent mix of both his father and his mother from Morrowind.

I hope they keep that feature for future games, it is a blast to really get your "tweak" on. ; )

Could the Nerevarine and CoC be one in the same? Yes. Is it probable? Not really.

For all intents and purposes, there's more evidence against this theory than for it. "I heard the Nerevarine went off on an expedition to Akavir", and what not. Don't get me wrong - nothing is certain, especially not the idle conversation of NPCs. But it seems as though the only thing linking the two entities together is that both of their adventures took place within a relatively short time of eachother. It's like saying that I could have orchestrated the 9/11 terrorist attacks. Could I have done it? Yes. Is it probable? Not so much.

At the end of the day, it's up to the roleplayers. But, I don't think it's Bethesda's intention of ever linking the heroes of their games. This is just my opinion.

Raining burning dogs on a town, asking you to invite a battlemage to tea, only to decide he actually wants to murder him/her, telling you to kill a Netch with a fork, taking offerings of bits of yarn... and of course his dialogue in Shivering Isles. What exactly isn't amusing about Sheogorath's behavior?

Ripping women asunder and using thier skin and bones and organs as musical instruments. Causing the total destruction of Vvardenfell. Destroying the civilisation of the Dunmer, the only people to have ever had widespread worship of him. Causing paranoid schizophrenics. Causing mass murder. Causing pain and agony and suffering. Enough?

Those are all hilarious.

There is a duality to his behavior, certainly (he is, after all, crazy). But he's always been presented with a smile on his face and a spring in his step, and it's hard not to laugh along with him.

EDIT: @seti18 Indeed. In fact, my friend who's just recently started playing Morrowind has found that, the deeper he gets into the lore (especially the Sermons of Vivec), the more he thinks that Sheogorath nuking the island was the best thing to happen to it It was a wee bit too weird for his tastes...

:stare: No!


My point is, you shouldn't be laughing along with him, the whole time. Sure, being eccentric is a part of insanity, but it's such a diluted form of it. And he should also represent far more than just this. http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1103057-a-rant-about-sheogorath/page__p__16137312__fromsearch__1&#entry16137312 a discussion I had about it not too long ago. Don't wanna get off topic here.

Very well, I'll take this discussion over that way.