Nerevarine Question Concerning the Emperor

Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:24 pm

This has bothered me for a decade now.

Now WHY did Uriel Septim insist on the Blades aiding and training the individual destined to kick the Empire out of Morrowind? Yes, defeating Dagoth Ur is important, but could it not be achieved without relying on the guy whose grand purpose is to defeat you and your allies in Morrowind?
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 4:57 pm

This has bothered me for a decade now.

Now WHY did Uriel Septim insist on the Blades aiding and training the individual destined to kick the Empire out of Morrowind? Yes, defeating Dagoth Ur is important, but could it not be achieved without relying on the guy whose grand purpose is to defeat you and your allies in Morrowind?


I believe the belief about the Nerevarine kicking the Empire out of Morrowind is only an ashlander superstition.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 5:34 am

Firts of all, the Nerevarine is the only person that can defeat Dagoth Ur, so of course they would help you. Becoming the Nerevarine doesn't really mean that you will have to go against Imperial ideas anyways.
I don't think the prophecy says that the Empire needs to be removed from Vvardenfell.
But in the long run, the defeat of Dagoth is more important more than anyone's specific ideologies. The Emperor knows this.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 2:53 pm

Ya, he prophecy was made before there really WERE any outsiders in morrowind (besides the Dunmer themselves who had screwed over the, by then non-existant, Dwemer. Possibly Nords in some parts also.) SO im sure the thing about the emeror was added over time.

But the emporer had the Neverine trained because a Dagonite manipulated his dreams and his star gazing into making him think that Dagoth was an immidiate threat, and that the destruction of Red Tower wouldn't do anything.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 7:36 pm

Ya, he prophecy was made before there really WERE any outsiders in morrowind (besides the Dunmer themselves who had screwed over the, by then non-existant, Dwemer. Possibly Nords in some parts also.) SO im sure the thing about the emeror was added over time.


That is an excellent point. Nerevar couldn't possibly have made such a promise. Instead, it must be wishful thinking by Ashlanders.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:55 pm

Nerevar rose to prominence fighting Nords (i.e. outlanders) in Morrowind. The Empire aimed to instate their own Nerevarine specifically so he does not drive them out. Uriel aimed to create a political and religious puppet to further control Morrowind with.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:54 pm

In the end though, the nerevarine did drive the empire out...sorta. Not directly, but indirectly with the destruction of Red Tower, the empire collapsing after the OB crisis, and Red Mountain blowing its top after the MoT dropped.

But in reality, that bit about driving the outlander mongrels out was more of an Ashlander thing than anything else.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:16 am

Every mythic figure in Morrowind's lore was going to kick the outlanders out. Part of the reason the Dunmer felt betrayed when the Tribunal signed the Armistice was because they had failed to protect them from the big bad foreigners. Heck both Dagoth Ur and Orvas Dren were going to kick the foreigners out. I think those things were attached to make them more popular.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 10:04 pm

Now WHY did Uriel Septim insist on the Blades aiding and training the individual destined to kick the Empire out of Morrowind? Yes, defeating Dagoth Ur is important, but could it not be achieved without relying on the guy whose grand purpose is to defeat you and your allies in Morrowind?
My theory is this: the prophesied Nerevarine is some kind of unknown variable. By taking the process into his own hands, the Emperor expected to get a "tame" Nerevarine, the one that might oppose Dagoth Ur as intended but would not defy the Empire itself, or, if he tried after all, be timely neutralized by Blades.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:52 am

After playing through the game again, I'm reminded that the Nerevarine is an Outlander, specifically an outlander of any race. This fact was (intentionally) forgotten because it did not mesh with the Dunmer Braveheart image. Your real destiny (At least according to Azura, who is clearly the source of all these dreams and prophecies) is to overthrow the false gods who took her place in Morrowind culture. Essentially, you're really just the tool of a spiteful goddess. Presumably, Uriel Septim was influenced by her somehow.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:43 pm

but "the dagonites tricked us once again."
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 8:52 am

Or one could surmise that the Emperor saw and acted upon a picture bigger than his immediate political concerns.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 6:47 am

I believe the belief about the Nerevarine kicking the Empire out of Morrowind is only an ashlander superstition.


That's the impression I got from the main quest, when looking at the actual full version of the prophecy, I don't see anything saying that the Nerevarine would drive the Empire from Morrowind. I think the Ashlander's just interpreted it that way out of wishful thinking.

Even so, I've wondered about this myself. Was he aware of more than he let on? I can't see him knowing the full version of the prophecy, though, after all, if he did, there's no reason he couldn't have just included it in the package to Caius Cosades, that would spare the need for all that running around asking informants. I can only assume that the Emperor just counted on the Nerevarine choosing not to drive the Empire out of Morrowind, after all, being an outlander himself, I can't see the Nerevarine having any motivation to do that. Either that, or the Emperor believed that Dagoth Ur would become a major threat not just to Morrowind, but to the rest of Tamriel as well, if that is the case, he may have felt that the possibility of Morrowind gaining independence was a risk worth taking for the sake of the long term well being of Tamriel. Perhaps the Uriel Septim just saw things in larger terms than his own political interests.

In the end though, the nerevarine did drive the empire out...sorta. Not directly, but indirectly with the destruction of Red Tower, the empire collapsing after the OB crisis, and Red Mountain blowing its top after the MoT dropped.


That's more like driving EVERYONE out, though. I don't think having their homeland destroyed by a volcanic eruption fits very well with the liberation from Imperial rule that the natives hoped for.
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Post » Wed Jan 05, 2011 11:57 am

That's more like driving EVERYONE out, though. I don't think having their homeland destroyed by a volcanic eruption fits very well with the liberation from Imperial rule that the natives hoped for.

Picky picky, he still did, even if it was done with too much gusto from nature.
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