Good thing is, with what Sawyer said about not being able to maintain neutral rep, there's most likely no more bribing priests and beggars for remission affecting the whole regions attitudes towards you.

If they made some improvements to the karma meter I'm sure being neutral could be much easier.

They said you can't remain neutral anymore.

I think they meant it will be hard to be neutral Rep with the factions, so that you decisions feel like they have an impact.

Omg lol sorry i meant roy phillips

Will Karma have any effect now?

EDIT: Since now there's reputation.

oh it aint no problem man, you got your message across, and while i know there are tons of other ways these quests could have gone that werent implemented into the game, i can say that i hope they get to do as many options for every quest as possible.

Because there is a dev quote in this very thread saying there is no such thing as "neutral" karma in Fallout: New Vegas?

Yeah, to me its trying to get the best result for you out of every situation, regardless of being good or evil. You don't intend to be really evil or really good, you just try to get the best reward.
My character will be a mix of this and good, hopefully. He'll try to get the best out of every situation and only fight for himself, but always do things the good way. If it's between something evil with a high reward and something good with low reward, he'll probably choose good after some thought.

Im lead to believe that "reputation" is only affected by events that are witnessed.
So lets says...

I kill a caesars legion member ,that is not witnessed by anyone..
so this does not affect my standing with the caesars legion because no one saw it ?

or am i instantly going to get a message flash on screen that my standing with the caesars legion has been affected?

lol an eyepatch, like billy creel had hahahaha. i can live without an eyepatch myself, thats funny

I hope it only affects your rep if someone saw you. Not like crazy psychic Oblivion guards that know if you made a crime even if there was noone at the scene of the crime...

Only reason I was neutral in FO:3 was for the achievements. Also take out those perks or whatever that gave you full Evil, Good, Or Neutral points. Thats how I got my level thirty achievements.

Being evil is more fun, more profitable, and more hassle-free.

"Should I give him money for the item or go run halfway around the world and collect stuff to give him so I can get the item???"

How about just blow his brains out, take he item, and all his money and gear. Now you have what you want, you're a couple hundred caps richer and you got those cool shades he was wearing.

Win, win and more win.

I know! It would be fun to join a faction and undermine them by killing them without them noticing. Maybe the disguises will help this.

Boring is in the eye of beholder. Being extremely evil and killing everyone is sight is boring to me. Being extremely good and helping every person that ask my character for something is boring. Neutral doesn't have to mean a lack of choice, to me it was always choosing what was in your best interest.

I always perceived neutrality as the true alignment for the wanderer (this is just MY perception, I'm sure others see it differently.) Looking out for yourself, not going out on a limb if it is not in your best interest, trying to survive. This always seemed the way that most in the Waste lived. This is just my perception though.

Though neutrality doesn't look like it will be happening in FO:NV, I'm glad for the mixed reputation system. I'm excited to see what outcomes/changes come with your karmic choices.

It would be abit silly if you kill a faction member in an otherwise empty room ,but this then affects your standing with the faction (even if no one saw it) .
I think it would be fun to have "good rep" with a faction but do afew stealth kills on their members.

It should affect your karma if you are witnessed killing people or not though.

Are you saying that it shouldn't affect your karma if you aren't witnessed killing people?
Because that would be silly. Karma isn't your reputation amongst people, it's your 'What goes around comes around' factor, if you get me. Isn't it?

Its already been said before that karma and rep are separate in this game.
In this game people are supposed to know you by your reputation.
if you commit actions that no see's it would obviously not affect your rep with factions.

Its clearly written.

It is.
But by saying 'it should affect your karma if you are witnessed killing people or not though', it sounded as if you thought this wasn't the case. Because it is the case, and people witnessing you kill someone will affect your karma. And I was saying it would affect your karma if you killed someone and no one witnessed it anyway.

If your Karma doesn't swing one way or another eventually, my feeling is you're doing it wrong. I just play the game and not worry about where the little tick mark on the moral scale is telling me. I say "[censored] off, Moral meter. I'm doing my own thing."

Unfortunately the Karma system is more like that in the Star Wars (like KotOR: sith or jedi) or Forgotten Realms (like BG: here 2 dimensional) of a global kind of reputation system.

It's not based on local faction reputation of major local factions. Which would mean something like NCR rep, Caesar's Legion rep, BoS rep.

My vision would be a system with:

• a global fame that rises depending how important your action is for the global community but without global moral, moral decisions are part of the faction reps and are based on faction moral or how much you can come close to it
  
• faction reputations for major factions and each action has different value changes for a faction, each faction has jobs that lower other faction reps and boost their own rep
  
• once joined a faction or rise in faction rank you get a rep min for that faction that can't be lowered until expelled or degraded, thus joining a faction can restrict you access to other parts even if you take counteractions and only leaving a faction can solve it.

So in order to gain BoS access you must have supported BoS and might not have helped NCR too much or have some higher fame, but to get access to BoS secrets you'll have to be loyal and therefore a low NCR and Caesar's Legion rep no matter how high your fame is. In order to get good BoS rep you would have to think like BoS philosophy and maybe killing a group of innocents to gain tech is good here.

While in NCR killing people for tech would be considered evil. In some factions like the Enclave good is defined what brings back the United States of the old days and evil would be any support of chinese, mutant life or anarchy.

So if you want to be evil or bad karma you just have to join the according faction. And karma level calling like "last hope of humanity" could get replaced by the best faction rep calling like BoS's "saviour of technology" or Enclave's "reviver of the United States" or Caesar's Legion's "visionary of commerce" or ...

I only saw one Dev comment in this thread, from Josh Sawyer, and he was commenting on rep as opposed to karma; he didn't mention or imply karma at all in his post.