Typo in the script: Use Left Control and LEFT SHIFT

Gonna test the new chest mesh soon (Or I won't, if I'm lucky.) Will report back with findings soon.

I must have done something wrong else ware (what that could of been I don't know) but Left Ctrl + Lest Shift aint working ether, I'm completely lost :unsure2:

Left control is a must for it. Try using it in conjunction with right control, right shift, left shift.

Just reading up on this mod...sounds pretty cool.

Nice going :celebration:

IMPORTANT THING I REALISED:

Configuring the mod is not working as it should - the INI is read only when you first activate the mod. Sorry about this, this is why it´s a BETA. :blush:

[EDIT: Cleansaving the mod naturally restarts it and re-reads the INI] Now naturally this is not a good idea if you got stuff around in containers. You can type "set skycaptainsdeathquest.ini to 0" to force INI reload, but this is safe only when you are in "normal" circumstances.


I´m trying to upload a an update to the bugs tonigt.



Thanks so much for the hard work man! I´ll integrate the new mesh to the next update. :foodndrink:




Really you shouldn´t load the game when the script is performing stuff, Oblivion is buggy when it comes to reseting script variables on load. It usually happens with quicksaves, rather than normal saves, but I have seen it remember stuff "from the future" sometimes when you load the game.

So it´s safest not to load when an "effect" is running. Quicksaves should be banned, for that matter, cause they break scripts so easily, but I suspect you are not using them.


Anyways the slowmotion thing needs reseting if you enter the menu, or load a save, that I´m fixing of course. If it happens again that you appear elsewhere than at the gate, up the "transitdelayframes" in the ini to 2, or higher.

This settings exists because Oblivion doesn´t update the player´s position correctly if he´s in ragdoll state. That´s why I actually have to revive the player on-site when you die, wait for "transitdelayframes" and only then transfer to Oblivion. For immersion, the setting is lowest possible, 1, but if it looks like it´s not always enough there´s no other option than to set it higher.


"Will setting the multiplier in the Never Die.ini to 1 prevent this bug from happening?"

Yes, but see what I said about the INI in the top of this post.



This is a problem, but I don´t have enough time or knowledge about Oblivion´s quests to handle it.

I would need a list of quest conditions, a "black list" of sorts, to when to switch to alternative behaviour. Otherwise the player just needs to use normal loading of a save in these places.

Note that I don´t actually WANT to research this topic, cause I haven´t played half the quests, including main quest, myself.



Are you running the 1.01b? Otherwise, this would the Cobl´s death handler failing for some reason, I have heard it CAN happen, never happened to me, and no one seems to know why it would fail occasionally, to catch the death on time.

Could be that if Oblivion is simply pushed hard enough, the scripts can out of sync, causing flukes like that.



I´ll consider the luggage, but unfortunately I don´t have time this week to look into it. And I´m away whole next week. For now, I´ll just include the new mesh, maybe using some logic when different one should be used, like you suggested.



:P It IS Cobl dependent, and uses Cobl´s death handler.



My god another typo in the readme....



I´m starting to suspect you are not running Obse or correct version of it...you should download the latest one, this mod requires v18 b6. The installation section of my readme has the link and how to launch the game with Obse.

I apologize for freaking out a bit last night. When the slow motion got stuck and I couldn't figure out how to fix it I got a bit frustrated.

I also know better than to load a save game when the script is running, but I panicked when I got killed just after coming out of the sewers and realized I was off to Oblivion at level one.

Current plan is to stay alive long enough to get to Chorrol and get a beacon (why isn't there a temple in the IC? Is Akatosh that possessive?)

And while I think about it, was the change to AbandonedMine intentional? I can't see any actual adjustments in TES4View so I wondered if it might be something that needs to be cleaned?

Nope it?s not - but I thought it showed in CS only because of Cobl doing something to it, after all it loads Cobl.esm when I load Never die.esp.

Is this not the case?

It's showing in TES4View under Never Die.esp, but not under Cobl Main.esm

Running the cleaning sequence on Never Die.esp does remove just that one cell reference.

Should be something you can do while you're updating anyway.

Hey!

This got buried in the thread yesterday and I wasn't sure if you had read it.

Looking forward to the update!

cc

One potential problem with that is that in most indoor locations NPCs never leave the cell they spawn in.

Outdoors, you might be okay because creatures and NPCs might wander off, but indoors you'd wake up with same guy who killed you in the process of beating your head back in.

This:



It just wouldn?t work well 99% of the time. The NPCs just stay there and chat.

Heheheh very cool mod

Just in case anyone wants to, visit http://www.uesp.net/, and check all of the quests. Note however that all mods that make quests and cells like this are impossible to blacklist in the game plug-in due to sheer number and variety.

An easier--though immersion breaking--way to do this is adding a spell to the player to blacklist it themselves. As I've said earlier with the Luggage however, it can be abused.

I doubt there's a way to make the mod log each interior you've entered and through what door, and check when there's a one-way where you can't go back. Even then, still not successful if a player is unable to reach the door they entered from the very same cell by room design.

Don't feel bad if you have to put up a warning about this breaking quests under certain conditions forcing a player reload. Wrye Musing's Shivering Death mod was well done, but still had that problem. There's no way to protect against every problem, so that's where the player gets involved.



I approve of this idea completely. It gives immersion, safety for the player, and a game balancing penalty. The best way to implement chest retrieval when the initial chest fails.

In regards to the places where leaving would break quests, I thought Cobl's death handling mechanism had a method of flagging a cell for special treatment(i.e. perma-death or whatever) and/or temporarily disabling the mechanism for these quests. At least, I have a vague recollection of that coming up when it was being designed and implemented...

Yeah I'm using 1.01b, it is a really mod intensive build of Oblivion. But so far every death ends in the weird camera bug, though if i reload the save after dying the camera is normal.

Maybe it?s your version of Cobl? I dunno, sounds weird you would have it, when no one else has mentioned it, and I have never even seen it. Something?s wrong there...

Maybe you are not running the latest Obse v18 beta6? That would explain it, since the mod would not be running at all...

Just a tip - I know Skycaptain said the LO doesn't matter for neverdie.esp. I put mine at the very top of my LO with 155 other mods. It has been fine so far.
Skycaptain, would custom FOV settings effect the death camera in any way? Trying to think of something that could triggering bugginess for jenariel.

No idea. See I have never seen it happen, and no one seems to know why it would happen. :wacko:

Some info about the containers:


I simply don?t have time for anything hugely complex, and I don?t want to give up the freedom and extra reliability the non-persistent containers give to the implementation, which limits the possible options.

I?m adding a simple quest to retrieve the "first" chest. After all, this is the one you forget details about most likely, and the one you are heading towards, and it?s also the one holding the most of your gear (any percent removed on later deaths amounts to less stuff, naturally).

If you die on the way to get the "main chest", for example in the wilderness, and end up in Oblivion (again), you are returned very close to the location you died in any case (last exterior recorded), so finding THAT chest shouldn?t be super hard.


So to say it more clearly, when you die you?ll get a new quest pointing to your stuff. If die again before you find it, the marker will stay on the first chest. When you eventually activate the first chest, the quest marker disappears, and appears again if you die, to point to the NEW equipment stash.

......sooo... I noticed that when I die, I see my character stand back up like everything is fine, then collapse in slow motion... what's up with that? Is that normal or am I the only one that's happening with?

A quick answer:

type in the console: show skycaptainsdeathquest.transitdelayframes


If that?s anything else than 1, then:

1. make sure your INI is from 1.01b.

2. Disable the esp, save, and enable it back. NOTE: If you have any equipment missing, get those back first or they are GONE.


It?s caused by a variable not being what it should. Part of the problem is that I said it?s not required to cleansave when you update, yet my mod is missing a system to re-read the INI ever again after initializing.

This is probably in a read me someplace for some mod but not sure where to look ..

.Help I can't Survive Jail Time for 4 Murders. Was in an Oblivion Plane with a few Guards From Bruma and guess my Sword is Longer than i thought LMAO any way after said Gate is closed, Bard Talks to me like all is well in the World Then a second later is haulin me off to Jail for 4 Murders. I die as soon as im released.

Im Using Simple Essentials....But there was no read-me all i have for a read-me is things i got out of the Forum Posts .....any help shy of console commands??

EDIT ..cause I cant Spell.

Stop Laughing!!

Thanks Sky..I realized this was the Wrong thread But I had never seen a thread for Essentials and knowing you wrote that Thought I would ask in here..Sorry Never thought to PM you Figured you to Busy for that..I'll Go try those things Out see if i can Save a life...hahahh


That ONE health thing Really is a life saver Thanks again Sky. Again Sorry for putting this here.

You should have PM?d me, cause this doesn?t belong in this thread and will only confuse people...but I?ll answer once myself. After that, PM me if you have more to post.


It?s a bit of problem that there?s no readme - the mod was in a closed beta when I put it on hold (long story) and the readme was in the forum topic, which got purged from the forums like all old topics - cause I can?t remember the details myself very well.

In any case, you SHOULD be left with 1hp no matter what. But like I said I can?t remember for certain. See if you have other effects on you, that could be draining your health - it?s possible that my mod drains your health to 1hp, and then those other effects take effect and you die. Or the otherway around. Cure any diseases before they arrest you and so on.

This all sounds right with me. I like! Don't let us wear you down man, you gotta play the game too,! And from what I read over at the DR threads, they're getting restless... I think a riot might break out if DR6 isn't released...yesterday. Thanks for all your hard work.