And have the series end up like Dragon Age, no way. More time equals less bugs, better story and better gameplay.

Stopped reading there. I prefer quality to "OMG EXPLOSIONS THATS SO SICK". Not to say your taste svcks or something, but objectively speaking, NV is a better, proper and superior Fallout game (or it's just more faithful to the roots, really).

And less of those f******g words please, they won't make the game look more "sick"(maybe they will, but in a bad manor :biggrin: ).

Agreed. Do we really want to see Fallout become a biannualy-milked franchise, like FIFA or Need For Speed or something? That would be creative death for the series. I'd take one brilliant Fallout game every five years myself.

Sidequest that doesnt even makes sense,

Blowing Up Megaton.......

Releasing Feral Ghouls

Helping an old woman


Helping slavers

Ants

Killing vampires wannabes

And none of them have a conection to the main quest either, most of them are just an excuse to the things explode or just senseless combat, at least the NV sidequest does have a good storytelling to tell, thats what Im looking for a RPG, not just shoot n loot




Personally, I dont have problem to FIFA to be released every year, they do have excuse to do it thougt, the Transfer Market is updated every year, without mentioning the sponsors, team formation, etc,

As mush as I dislike Bethesda's Fallout approach, I gotta say they are one of those better developers these days(meaning they actually listen to the fanbase, sorta). You know, along with CD Projekt, Obsidian and all that. :disguise:

I dunno why I'm getting involved in this, I need my head examined, buuuuut...

Hardly any of the sidequests in Fallouts 1&2 had anything to do with the main quest either, even the ones that did usually only tangentially so.

Anyway, these VS discussions are interminable.



I know that's the rationale, but theoretically you could update the player roster etc. with a simple patch/bit of DLC, or even just edit it yourself. I don't go in for getting the new FIFA eveery year, feels like a racket to me, the gameplay improvements often seem pretty minimal.

The gameplay has drastically changed since FIFA 07

Well I'm sure that's true, I only moved from PES to FIFA for FIFA '09 and I've been happily playing that for the past two-three years. When the next FIFA comes out I might get the previous year's one on the cheap, I find upgrading every three years or so rather than annually makes the gameplay improvements feel more pronounced, and it makes me feel like less of a mark.

edit: also yay to us for the sidetrack. :ninja:

Normally I wouldn't post but I'm bored so I'm gonna break it down just for the fun of it.

You don't like the atmosphere?
It's 2 centuries after the war. How much do you think has changed since 1811? Exactly.

You don't like the bugs?
Ok it's like this. Imagine someone invented a language and told you to write a book in that language. That's what Obsidian went through with Gamebryo. Go easy on them they didn't do worse than how Bethesda's been doing since Oblivion.

You don't like the lack of "awsum guyz in shiny armor and lazor gunz"?
Grow up kid.

the biggest problem with New Vegas over Fallout 3 is that in Fallout 3 i looked forward to exploring all of the capital wasteland in New Vegas there is a lack of real places i wanted to go find and when i did find something new it was like oh well on to the next place with no one in it. and then there is the 500 houses you can't get into come on 200 years and no one can find a crowbar to open them up or a chainsaw.

The worst developer of all time has to be EA Los Angeles....EA disdanded it because of the crapness they produced called Command and Conquer 4.

They never patch their games. Maybe like once and then thats it.

Command and Conquer 3, was the best command and conquer game ever made....in fact probably the best RTS ever made, but noone plays it online...why? Cause EALA didn;t patch it, didn;t support it, nothing. They basically
took the work of some the people left over from Westwood studios, slapped it and then didn't support it. Buggy as hell, unbalanced as hell.

CC3 coulda been bigger than that WoW trend if they properly supported and marketed it.

What happened, they all got fired.

That post-apocalyptic world makes no sense in Fallout 3. Washington D.C. looked like it got hit by bombs the day before the game started, the world would have recovered in some shape or form within a 200 year time period between the end of the war and the beginning of the Wanderer's journey and expulsion from Vault 101. Fallout New Vegas was an envisioning more in line with my view of a post-apocalyptic world, despite the blue skies, and rustically beautiful deserts of the Mojave, the underlying barbarity of the world still exudes from every nook and cranny of New Vegas. The developers at Obsidian didn't have to throw destroyed cities and gray skies in your face for you to "feel" the post-apocalypse.

Now, c'mon you are oversimplifying Fallout 3. There are settlement in Fallout, but you really feel they are struggling day to day. Most days in New Vegas people are concerned about the near future, not the immediate future.
And the simple fact that every second in Fallout 3 is a fight for survival.

Even just compare The Pitt to Dead Money...which has the better story.

Eh,, they got patched both CC3 and Kane Wrath, (and actually, some people still even play the game On.Line, along with Generals and Red Alert 3,)

I think the average players online for KW is like 200-300.....

Fallout 3 was to much doom and gloom in my opinion (keep in mind the game is set 200 years after the Great War). Yes, I understand that they had one helluva nuclear holocaust in that area, but that in no way means the East Coast of the United States is going to keep an everlasting gray sky along with crumbled traces of what used to be society. The Earth, and human beings for that matter, are resilient. We can rebuild, the resolve for such things is built into our DNA. I was expecting a more settled Capital Wasteland, especially when you consider the fact that the Eastern Coast of the United States also has the highest population in the country overall.

Well with so much fallout and mutated creatures and lack of any institutions besides the brotherhood and some independent working scientists, I'm guessing the mortality rate is pretty damn low. Also, did you read the terminals of the enclave, they collect irradiated people and kill them in mass graves.

And for the century before that what were people doing? DC doesn't even look like the bombs dropped there at all.

Yeah it does, when I see photos of the greater area of horishima and nagasaki. It seems like the bombs fell right outside of it, not on it.

Gray skies aside, it is plausible for an area to not have rebuilt in 200 years. There are numerous competing factions who have basically stalemated in that area, before the Enclave and BOS show up. Just look at how far advanced civilization was with the Roman Empire only to plunge into the dark ages after the Empire fell. And that lasted well over 200 years. So, it is possible.

I agree but all Bethesda games are like this my games have even been corrupted

having someone else make it is just gonna ruin it.it will become a game all about the action.the writing these guys do is what sets it apart from the crap out there that lasts a week till you never play it again.this is why were still playing it dispite the bugs.

If there was one thing about NV I hated, it was the happy go lucky atmosphere.
If FO4 has be set 60 years after the bombs to retain the actual feeling of a wasteland, then so be it. But do not, at all costs, simply create another 3rd world country like NV was. Sheeh it's awful.

I can agree with that. :goodjob:

A cooperation between Bethesda and Obsidian would be fantastic.

....In the sense that Bethesda publishes it and Obsidian develops it.