So, since Morrowind was destroyed, and the Argonians have taken it as thier own, what would the Argonians do? I see three options:

1. They enslave the Dunmer as payback
2. They don't want to stoop as low as the Dunmer and just keep them as prisoners and take thier lands
3. They forgive everything (I doubt it, but it's an option)


I would think that the Argonians would be angry as hell for the years of slavery, but the Argonians are also awesome. I don't see them being the enslaver types. Would they end up like the Dunmer eventually, due to thier new-found power, and lust for slavery? Would the Dunmer be the new slave race? Would the argonians end up enslaving Khajiit (They're good at being slaves, I think), or would they free all Khajiit slaves, since they where in it together for all those years?

I get that there'll be mixed feelings, I'm just wondering about the majority (e.g., the majority of Dunmer where all for slavery, but there where still those against it)

Would the Argonians care about Dunmer who had nothing to do with Slavery? Would they not listen to those who say they're members of the Twin Lamps?

Could this result in war? The Empire is massivly against slavery, and may eventually decide to risk raiding Black marsh. I think this could all make Black Marsh, when we get to it, all the more awesome.

The size of the Imperial army and any who want to join in (the remainder of the Dunmer?) vs. the Argonian's skill in Black Marsh's swamps.


Just a little thought I had. ^_^

In my opinion, I don't think that the Argonains are going to do much. They may have driven them out of Morrowind, but I don't see why they would follow them to Solsthiem.

And I really, really doubt that the Argonains are going to attempt slavery; After all, most of their slaves wouldn't be able to survive in the deeper regions of the Black Marsh. Also, aren't their Hist that want to exterminate other races and outsider Argonians? These guys aren't as cuddly and innocent as you might think.

The Loveletter makes no reference to Slavery, so I imagine that the Dunmer will have learned their lesson and keep slavery out of their reformed culture.

hehe, they practice it too, and a tribe would raid another to sell the captives to the Dres. Argonians are greedy little savages.

I think the term "anarchists" fits better to the argonians. Atleast most of them. They just live their lives without thinking about tomorrow.

I hope they strike a treaty of some sort. They could give Morrowind back as long as they abolish slavery, and have Argonians be a greater political force.

But what's more likely to happen is more war, I'd imagine.

As far as I know, they didn't occupy Morrowind after driving the Dunmer to Solsthiem. They just returned to Black Marsh and carried on with their lives.

That can't be possible: I think many Black Marsh life forms have taken over the landscape of mainland morrowind up to the ashfields, the Ocena, and the Velothi Mountains. I think the Dunmeri may stil hod Port Telvannis though.

Well after Umbriel's presence in Black Marsh, we don't know exactly what remains of their culture or society - So I think slavery would be the last thing on their minds and as someone else already said; the surviving Dunmer of The Red Year fled to Solsthiem and Cheydinhal, Cyrodiil. I don't think the Argonians would pursue them into those territories.

The Argonians have always stricken me as being a fairly calm if not blissfully ignorant people. That is to say, I don't think they would attempt to enslave the Dunmer or anything of the sort, merely see it as an opportunity to reunite with their kin and slow/stop Argonian enslavement. It's more about them helping themselves and less about petty vengeance or anything of the sort. As for presence in Morrowind, I think they may have held onto some of the more southern territories such as Tear, but I don't think they care much for any of the strategic/economic locations in the province. They just wanted to show the Dunmer that they aren't a force to be underestimated.

Anyways, I'm not quite sure what will happen to the Dunmer now. Ancestral worship (at least for the tombs in Morrowind/Vvardenfell) have been plundered or destroyed, the Tribunal is no more, they've lost most of their slaves. I would hope that they don't become too noble and dignified like the western cultures, but I do think slavery will only remain among the Telvanni, though perhaps improving to conscription or something of the sort due to pressures from the other houses. Sad stuff.

Regardless, does anyone else find it funny as to how generous the Nords (or at least the Skaal) are being to the Dunmer? Despite being long-time enemies, I suppose if there's anyone who hates the beasties and the Empire as much as the Dunmer do, it's the Nords. I could imagine them forming some badass new alliance. :foodndrink:

Well, the Skaal are a special case of nords, and the guys at Thirsk do not really care what race someone is, as long as they enjoy mead and fighting.

Also, I'd say the redguards are more racist and hold not so much love for the empire than the nords. I mean, they did launch genocidal crusades against the orcs for thousands of years (though I guess that's not as special since the nords do the same to the elves. Then again, sacking a dunmer place was more like an initiation into advlthood to them ), and resisted the Imperial expansion almost as much as the altmer.

I think the key is that the Dunmer and the Nords will soon find a common enemy in the new Dominion.

Yeah, that Aldmeri Dominion looks like something the two races would loathe. They have already forcefully taken over Valenwood, and I bet they want to push harder in the mainland. And I have a feeling the altmer would just be even more harsh to the non-altmer mer for being "tainted."

At first I was surprised to hear the Nords were hospitable to the Dunmer refugees, but it makes more sense after I checked a few examples from real life. Hospitality has been sacred in a number of cultures, including Scandinavian, ancient Greek, and Celtic. It's not too much of a stretch that the Nords would be similar in their hospitality toward the refugees.


From the wikipedia:

"Hospitality in Celtic Cultures:
Celtic societies also valued the concept of hospitality, especially in terms of protection. A host who granted a person's request for refuge was expected not only to provide food and shelter to his/her guest, but to make sure they did not come to harm while under their care."

"A real-life example of this is rooted in the history of the Scottish Clan MacGregor, from the early seventeenth century. The chief of Clan Lamont arrived at the home of the MacGregor chief in Glenstrae, told him that he was fleeing from foes and requested refuge. The MacGregor welcomed his brother chief with no questions asked. Later that night, members of the MacGregor clan came looking for the Lamont chief, informing their chief that the Lamont had in fact killed his son and heir in a quarrel. Holding to the sacred law of hospitality, the MacGregor not only refused to hand over the Lamont to his clansmen, but the next morning escorted him to his ancestral lands. This act would later be repaid when, during the time that the MacGregors were outlawed, the Lamonts gave safe haven to many of their number."

Interesting - I myself always thought the Bretons would be the primary manifestation of Celtic culture on Tamriel, or at least after Bethesda constantly jumping around from English to French naming conventions, they may eventually (upon returning to High Rock and the Breton culture) make them Celtic. Still, I could see the Nords, whether through Scandinavian or Celtic customs, as being a hospitable sort.


The Altmer sort of hate everybody, the other mer for their differences, the humans for viewing mortality as a blessing, and they're just conceited in general. The beast races seem to be pretty apathetic to all of this, or at least not really as motivated into gaining power/expanding as most of the other provinces are. The Bretons don't seem to care much one way or the other, although I'm certain the Altmer may attempt to make a claim on the Direnni Tower and the Iliac Bay again someday - which could cause a lot of trouble. Redguards are mercenaries and seem to be fairly happy to be part of the Empire. Nords and Dunmer are now in it together due to their traditionalist/conservative ways and hatred of the Empire's homogenization of culture - I figure the Dunmer may also hate the Altmer as much as the Nords do, or at least disagree with them.

The Empire has seen the most radical change, in my opinion. It seemed really cool in Redguard and Morrowind as an organized and disciplined force, but by the time of Oblivion and the novel it just seems to be turning tyrannical, or otherwise micro-managed by idiots.

I'd definitely agree about the Titus Mede looking more like a tyrant than anything, and the previous empire did seemed to be micromanaged by morons.

Mede doesn't come across as a tyrant to me. He seems like an intelligent, ambitious man who saw power was lying in the streets for anyone to pick up. He's trying to bring order back to the chaos of the last 40 years (since the Oblivion Crisis). The thing is, he doesn't seem to particularly have the backing of the gods -- no Covenant like the Septims had. It could be that if the Mede dynasty is only secular in nature, it is an "artificial" dynasty in effect. It will be interesting to see what happens in the second novel by Keyes.

He also has an organization specifically made to assassinate anti-imperial groups. Regardless, I'm not saying he's like a RL modern tyrant, but more of the tyrant definition of ancient Greece.

Fair enough. I would add though that his agents aren't solely assassins; like Baurus in the game "Oblivion", they take whatever means are appropriate for the situation -- though the Oculatus agents seem to work solely in civilian clothing. Mede's organization is not so different from the Blades. The only difference I can see is that again, they seem to be working without a Covenant (unlike the Blades under the Septims).

Most Argonians wouldn't bother with slaves, I guess, but the most bitter ones would probably delight in owning and "educating" some Dunmer slaves of their own.

In the book that Hist tree seemed pretty isolated and derranged. I don't know if the political view of getting BM rid of outsiders is a common one among the trees. (a weird statement this one, I suppose )

It's a legitimate question whether or not the Hist trees of Lilmoth were isolated fanatics or, on the other hand, whether all the Hist of Argonia are on the same page -- that of getting rid of all outsiders as well as what would seem to the more fanatic Hist to be Argonians who had been too influenced by the Empire. The Hist trees of Lilmoth remind me of the Khmer Rouge in their willingness to wade through blood for their "purist" doctrine.

Maybe after successfully thwarting Dagon's Invasion and sending the Dark Elves to a forced vacation on a frozen wasteland the Hist and the Argonians are finally conscious of what they can do if they want to and some are drunken with their newfound power. From that to fanaticism and holding "purity of blood" standards is a small step.

They reminded me of this to with their willingness to kill any Argonians who had been tainted by Imperial ways, just like the Khmer Rouge did with any Cambodains they thought were "tainted" by the west. And then we here about the An-Xilee (I think I spelled that right) retreating into the forest to make their Argonian society who knows what the fanatactics will do next? abolish private property maybe?

They've just invaded what's left of Morrowind. Surely they didn't kill them all? And I doubt they would be happy enough with them to let them go free.

I doubt they're fare well in the climate of Solsthiem...and the Nords may see their presence as an invasion, unlike the Dunmer refugees.

Also, judging from Keyes' novel "The Infernal City", the Argonians were content to establish a few settlements in Morrowind after driving out the Dunmer refugees; you don't get the feeling the Argonians attempted an expedition to Solstheim.

The An-Xileel fanatics hopefully don't speak for all Argonians, though they seem to have the upper hand at the time of the novel (more than 40 years after the Oblivion Crisis). The An-Xileel seem like nationalists -- obsessed with reordering Argonia, but not necessarily interested in spreading beyond its borders.