New Armor Design

Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:01 pm

i think all of the OP's points are right but the "dwarven" mace looks to be elven IMO
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:47 am

I think the second mace you linked to might be the elven one. It has the feather motif going up the shaft of the weapon.


Could be. Perhaps after simplifying the Elven armor from concept art to in-game design, perhaps they did the same with the concept Elven mace. I think I may change my opinion back. :tongue:
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:30 am

"1. Here's the Elven armor concept art to corroborate what I've said about the mace and armor screens"

Why is that guy in the picture putting up his middlefinger? O.O
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:22 pm

Well it's really hard to compare the sword and the glass mace. First the glass mace is a really bad picture (is there a better one out there?) And the one with the mace has a lot of yellow light from the fires, while the one with the sword has a lot of blue light from the snow. So I think the difference in the green hue could have a lot to do with the lighting in the two scenes.


I still think the metal in the hilt matches exactly the metal of the armor. Also different colored blades seems natural IMO.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:38 pm

The differences between the female in glass/elven armor and the confirmed elven armor we've seen can be pretty easily explained by the wearer obviously being female. All the images we've seen that we know to be elven are the male version of it, so what does the female version look like? We don't know, because we haven't seen anything that has been confirmed to be female elven armor, nor have we seen anything confirmed to be glass armor on either six. Now, certainly, the design looks different from the male elven armor, but some of the armor's in Oblivion had pretty different designs for the male and female versions too, so that doesn't prove anything, the overall style on the other hand seems similar, and the golden parts look like they could be the same material, not sure about the greenish parts, though, I can't see enough details to determine if they're supposed to be glass or metal, though the color looks similar to the sword that may or may not be a glass sword, but that doesn't really prove it's glass either way, because not every armor and weapon that has green parts is automatically glass, and exmining the details on it, I can't really tell if it's supposed to be glass or not. Though if it is, the design, at least, looks better than it was in Oblivion, and maybe even Morrowind, from a technical standpoint, it still isn't quite what I'd feel glass should be, but the shape of the items at least looks pretty nice. Still, we can only speculate as to what any of the armors or weapons we've seen are, except where it's been confirmed what they are.


Take a look at the shoulders, knees, and the helmet. Completely different from the Elven. And I don't agree that other TES armors had any appreciable differences between male and female in design(other than overall bulk and briast plates).

Example: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-item-Glass_Armor.jpg vs. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-item-female-Glass_Armor.jpg

"1. Here's the Elven armor concept art to corroborate what I've said about the mace and armor screens"

Why is that guy in the picture putting up his middlefinger? O.O


A new usable taunt? :tongue:
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:29 pm

Take a look at the shoulders, knees, and the helmet. Completely different from the Elven. And I don't agree that other TES armors had any appreciable differences between male and female in design(other than overall bulk and briast plates).

Example: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-item-Glass_Armor.jpg vs. http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:OB-item-female-Glass_Armor.jpg


I have to agree. The male elven armor in both the concept are and the screenshots have a very strong feather motif going. It has layers of "feathers" covering the shoulders, the hips, etc. That motif is completely absent from the female armor. While it does have a lot of overlapping elements, they don't look or feel like feathers. To me, that says it's a different type of armor.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:34 pm

I agree that the female armor is probably glass. Doesn't really look anything like elven armor. Elven is feathery and her armor is not feathery in the least bit.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:02 pm

i want the glass armour/weaponry to be translucent and have nice refractions
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:07 am

Also, in both http://voidedchaos.net/glass_sword.png and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TUFlwb82vlI/AAAAAAAAAYs/J3KOH-Y0YDM/s1600/artofskyrim_008_elvenfemhalberd.jpg, the green is the same, faded green, almost like a light jade. I really think these will be glass equipment, but they're abandoning the whole radioactive neon green in favor of a more subtle green.

Edit: oooh and also look at the serrated edges on the glass shards on the female redguard's http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TUFlwb82vlI/AAAAAAAAAYs/J3KOH-Y0YDM/s1600/artofskyrim_008_elvenfemhalberd.jpg. Then look at the serrated edges on the http://voidedchaos.net/glass_sword.png. Then look at the serrated edges on http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TTBUbM33FKI/AAAAAAAAAX0/-SE1Q1VIF0Q/s1600/skyrim_018.jpg As far as I have seen those serrations are not on any of the elven equipment we have seen.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 9:26 am

Okay, so I think we've come to the conclusion that these all go together as glass - http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/ice-wraiths/, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TTBUbM33FKI/AAAAAAAAAX0/-SE1Q1VIF0Q/s1600/skyrim_018.jpg, and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TUFlwb82vlI/AAAAAAAAAYs/J3KOH-Y0YDM/s1600/artofskyrim_008_elvenfemhalberd.jpg

There are some lingering questions, however.

1. Why the color variation in the Elven armor from screen to screen? Clearly it is designed to be golden, yet appears so different in the ice wraith screen. Just different lighting? Alternate armor colors? Or armor that changes color based on environment? (all "golden" Elven armor screens are indoors, but the one outside is very different)

2. Is http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/stealth-kill/ the new leather armor? Perhaps with an iron pauldron??

3. And does this http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/conceptart/bear-encounter/ depict the new Fur armor? Or the new Steel helmet, Steel sword, and Steel 1h axe? Or is any of that simply clothing?

Feel free to speculate. I love this topic and I would like to see more people get interested in Skyrim's new designs for armor and weapons.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:29 am

Okay, so I think we've come to the conclusion that these all go together as glass - http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/ice-wraiths/, http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TTBUbM33FKI/AAAAAAAAAX0/-SE1Q1VIF0Q/s1600/skyrim_018.jpg, and http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_4lrm97dBqNo/TUFlwb82vlI/AAAAAAAAAYs/J3KOH-Y0YDM/s1600/artofskyrim_008_elvenfemhalberd.jpg

There are some lingering questions, however.

1. Why the color variation in the Elven armor from screen to screen? Clearly it is designed to be golden, yet appears so different in the ice wraith screen. Just different lighting? Alternate armor colors? Or armor that changes color based on environment? (all "golden" Elven armor screens are indoors, but the one outside is very different)

2. Is http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/screenshots/stealth-kill/ the new leather armor? Perhaps with an iron pauldron??

3. And does this http://www.elderscrolls.com/skyrim/media/conceptart/bear-encounter/ depict the new Fur armor? Or the new Steel helmet, Steel sword, and Steel 1h axe? Or is any of that simply clothing?

Feel free to speculate. I love this topic and I would like to see more people get interested in Skyrim's new designs for armor and weapons.


Not trying to be difficult but just because the blade vaugly looks glass doesn't make it glass.

I think it is elven for 2 reasons:

1: It almost exactly matches the shape of an elven longsword.

2: The hilt looks to be made out of the same metal as the armor.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 9:14 pm

They're elven, deal with it, except maybe that last mace, not gunna call it on that one. but yeah, the rest, elven. but good on you for over thinking everything :)
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:12 pm

Not trying to be difficult but just because the blade vaugly looks glass doesn't make it glass.

I think it is elven for 2 reasons:

1: It almost exactly matches the shape of an elven longsword.

2: The hilt looks to be made out of the same metal as the armor.

The blade is not only a very similar faded green color to the glass in the armor, but it also has the same serrated pattern seen in the glass armor, but not in the elven armor.
In Morrowind the glass equipment was made out of "rare metals studded with glass." I don't think it's ever mentioned who exactly made the armor. What if the rare metals used in glass armor are the same rare metals used in elven armor.

My current assumption: they are making the glass equipment to have a more elven look to it, because it was made by elves. There will still be a fully metal "elven" armor/weapons set, and a glass/metal "glass" armor/weapons set.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:16 am

Not trying to be difficult but just because the blade vaugly looks glass doesn't make it glass.

I think it is elven for 2 reasons:

1: It almost exactly matches the shape of an elven longsword.

2: The hilt looks to be made out of the same metal as the armor.


As deathcoffee and I have been discussing for quite some time now (see above posts), there is more evidence for the sword to have a glass blade and hilt piece that matches the coloration of the other glass we see on the mace and glass armor. I agree with you that the shape is almost the same as the Elven longsword, and it does have a metal core and handguard that resemble the color of the glass armor base metal and the Elven armor base metal.

The reasoning behind why the sword seems to be a hybrid of the two is not clear, but it is clear that it isn't just an Elven longsword, nor is it similar to the old Glass longsword aside from the dark translucent glass. But one of the keys to it being glass is the flanges (they're not really "serrations") that it shares with the other glass examples. I can't explain where Bethesda is going with that, but it is clear that the sword must have an explanation. Perhaps they simply chose the Elven longsword shape for the Glass longsword? That would mean there is another longsword we haven't seen that matches the new Elven mace and the new Elven armor.

It's the one oddball of the bunch, that's for sure. Every other armor and weapon I've seen and mentioned has a clear explanation.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:42 pm

The blade is not only a very similar faded green color to the glass in the armor, but it also has the same serrated pattern seen in the glass armor, but not in the elven armor.
In Morrowind the glass equipment was made out of "rare metals studded with glass." I don't think it's ever mentioned who exactly made the armor. What if the rare metals used in glass armor are the same rare metals used in elven armor. My current assumption: they are making the glass equipment to have a more elven look to it, because it was made by elves. There will still be a fully metal "elven armor/weapons" set, and a metal/glass "glass armor/weapons" set.

So we're already naming armor sets? Did you already play the game? how are the dragons? almost as good as the beards?

Real talk though, that female was wearing elven armor, it looks elven, it has many of the same designs that the male elven armor does, just because it has pieces on it that look vaguely glass in it you're willing to discount all the other things? Sounds reasonable to me. Its elven, i promise buddy.
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 11:02 pm

I don't think it's glass. It would be odd if there was glass armour where the majority of the surface was not made of glass. Perhaps they have some blended armours or something, or another type of Elven armour (didn't they say there was an armour for each race (or was that unsupported supposition)? Maybe one is Altmer and one is Bosmer or something.).

EDIT: Though it does have the same style as the obviously glass mace. I guess it must be glass armour. Weird design though, having most of it be gold.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 8:50 am

So we're already naming armor sets? Did you already play the game? how are the dragons? almost as good as the beards?

Real talk though, that female was wearing elven armor, it looks elven, it has many of the same designs that the male elven armor does, just because it has pieces on it that look vaguely glass in it you're willing to discount all the other things? Sounds reasonable to me. Its elven, i promise buddy.

"my assumption" :wink:
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:40 am

I have read the entire discussion but remain unconvinced. The color of the blade also looks metallic and not like glass at all. Plus the curves at the handle make me think its elvish because elvish stuff normally has a lot of curves. Granted that the serrations at the end confuse me.

I agree one hundred percent on the armor and mace.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:41 am

So we're already naming armor sets? Did you already play the game? how are the dragons? almost as good as the beards?

Real talk though, that female was wearing elven armor, it looks elven, it has many of the same designs that the male elven armor does, just because it has pieces on it that look vaguely glass in it you're willing to discount all the other things? Sounds reasonable to me. Its elven, i promise buddy.


If by elven, you mean made by elves, then you may be right. If you mean the same armor or weapons, then I'm afraid you're mistaken. Reread the thread and see the facts. There is no green glass in "Elven" armor, and all of said armor has a golden color and a feather motif. The armor the female is wearing is nothing like any Elven armor, aside from some of it sharing a golden color. That's like comparing Steel armor and Mithril armor from Oblivion and saying they're the same..... And the maces? No contest. One Glass, One Elven.

Also, stop being facetious, it will get you nowhere on this thread.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 2:12 am

http://i740.photobucket.com/albums/xx49/wollibeebee/darkarmor.jpg?t=1301904194

elven armor!! :D
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:45 pm

"my assumption" :wink:

now thats better ;) nothing but respect broski. though my observations still stand, it is more than likely elven.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:17 am

I don't think it's glass. It would be odd if there was glass armour where the majority of the surface was not made of glass. Perhaps they have some blended armours or something, or another type of Elven armour (didn't they say there was an armour for each race (or was that unsupported supposition)? Maybe one is Altmer and one is Bosmer or something.).

EDIT: Though it does have the same style as the obviously glass mace. I guess it must be glass armour. Weird design though, having most of it be gold.


As I noted in my earlier post, most of the Morrowind glass armor was silver.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 3:38 am

I'm still not sure about the sword. It looks a bit opaque to be glass, and not really that green. It might be, but it may just be the light making it have that slight green tinge (the Elven suit also looks a bit greenish in that picture and in the other the light is making everything look blue). It also looks quite Elven in style. Like I said, could be wrong, but I'm not yet convinced it is glass.
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Post » Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:45 am

stop posting on a video game forum, it will get you nowhere in this world. oh look at silly ol me, i'm being hypocritical. but hey, good shot trying to be a big man there ;)


First off - :violin: = Kids these days.

Stay on topic or leave. K, thx, bye! :goodjob:
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Post » Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:29 pm

Okay, remember in Oblivion there was no gendered armor. And there was barely any difference between the male armor mesh and female armor mesh beyond the shape to fit the body. Well look at http://voidedchaos.net/armors.jpg. There is no way that's the same armor set. How can you take those pauldrons from a man, put them on a woman, and magically get those other pauldrons? They're completely different. Helmet and other pieces too. The only way that would work is if there is gendered armor, so a female's elven armor will not fit on a male, and vice versa.
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