Agreed 100%! And Future Star Wars fiction should not be about Jedis or the Dark Side because that'd be boring and repetitive. Dude, what you want is a new game franchise completely. Go play Borderlands or Bioshock or w/e else that tickles your fancy.

Don't forget humans, including brotherhood members that side with the MLA

It's amazing that you have managed to completely misunderstand two franchises with that one statement. Star Wars isn't just about Jedi and Sith, just like Fallout isn't about the Brotherhood and Super Mutants. The only thing you need to make a Fallout is to understand the phrase "war, war never changes". This franchise, at its core, is about humanities never-ending struggle against itself, whatever form that may take.

The fact is that Super Mutants and the Brotherhood have been used to death. I personally have no problem with them being in future games, but I think that we're heading in the right direction with the serious downgrading they got in New Vegas.

I agree with what you said. I am also happy with the "downgrading" they got in New Vegas. The BoS aren't even a big part in Fallout, you can go the whole game without dealing with them. Fallout 2 only has a couple Brotherhood in the whole game. So the Brotherhood weren't meant to be the focus of the series.

I did include humans but I failed to mention humans that deserted from the Brotherhood and teamed up with mutants. http://savagebeatings.deviantart.com/gallery/34104749#/d4b743b is what happens with Brotherhood deserters, though. (Oh, I should really start making new artwork, I just keep posting the same drawings )

Sorry about that

Reavers? They had similar weapon preferences to the Enclave and haven't been used in a majority of the Fallout franchise, it would be nice to see what they are up to.

As long as they aren't the Knights in Shining Power Armor that they were in FO:3 I will be happy, perhaps if there was an NCR Civil War the BOS could support the revolutionaries, IMO that would be interesting.

I don't frankly care, as long as the East Coast Brotherhood is in Fallout 4, and have repeatable missions, I'm good. So I'd say just have something like in New Vegas where it's more of circumstance as their enemy, or some sort of disaster. I dislike how they've become the major players in the series, kinda leads to more people hating on 'em.

They really can't be called the East Coast BoS IMO. The West Coast Brotherhood at one point were up and down the West Coast of the United States. The MWBoS could be found in many locations in the Midwestern United States. "The East Coast Brotherhood" can only be found in DC. So they are more like the DC Brotherhood or Lyons Brotherhood, but I wouldn't called them the East Coast Brotherhood.

Still yet, they're on the eastern side, and it is simply just paralleling the western branch. So I could see them calling themselves East Coast Brotherhood making sense.

The thing is all the Brotherhoods call themselves "The Brotherhood of Steel." Besides the Oucast. We the fans are the ones that give them names like "The West Coast" or "Original Brotherhood", Midwestern Brotherhood" and Lyons BoS.

To me calling Lyons BoS "The East Coast BoS" makes them greater than they are. They are about the size of a chapter in a small area of DC. They aren't up and down the East Coast.

Haha, I suppose you're right, I will admit defeat......for now......

The BOS shouldn't be the main focus of the series. In Fallout 3 I can swallow it but anything beyond that, no.


In Fallout 3 there was something alluding to that. However, I would love it if Rivet City would be the an enemy to Lyon's BOS since they have Enclave technology.

I could see many within Lyons group saying to themselves "now that the people have their clean water, we can finally get back to our original mission." So they finally tell Lyons to shove it and join the Outcast. So Lyons is only left with a handful of original Brotherhood and noobs that they recruited.

I can't see Lyons guys trying to force Megaton or Rivet City into their group or under their protection. I don't think Lyons ever had that as his goals. With much of the BoS leaving to join the Outcast, groups like Rivet City might try to take Project Purity for themselves.

Those that finally do join the outcast could make off with alot of the captured Enclave tech and totally screw Lyons over. Kinda turns the tables, the Outcast then try to get Arthur Maxson back. So a civil war in the wasteland.

Would be kinda funny if the Outcast end up destroying Project Purity. They take it apart and make off with the high-tech parts.

I think it'd be interesting if a handful of people decided to join the Outcasts post-F3 and this finally caused Sarah to crack.

In fury she leads Lyons' Pride to attack the Outcasts and they end up driving them from their bases to the northern CW. War starts between Lyons and the Outcasts.

Lyons is furious with Sarah for disobeying direct orders and she is dishonorably discharged from the Brotherhood. She wanders out into the wasteland and is never seen again.

The war rages for a few years before Lyons is assassinated by an Outcast agent who disguised as a wasteland and got himself recruited.

The Outcasts demand that the Brotherhood hand over Arthur Maxson but Rothchild takes command and the CWBoS (which had been falling apart without a leader) unites once more.

Rothchild is a more deceptive and desires power over charity.

He uses his men to stage themselves as a raider gang and increase activity near Megaton to convince them to make Springvale a CWBoS base. When Vault 101 opens they all become known as three districts to one settlement.

He annexes Rivet City easily, all he uses is some propoganda and offers them benefits.

He takes over Cantebury Commons and Bigtown with ease, they were weakening because of the war with the Outcasts.

He then invades Tenpenny Tower and makes a large settlement around it.

With all of these settlements on his side Rothchild has the man power to push the Outcasts from the CW completely. He then begins to form a country (the Capital Union).

The Outcasts decide to go investigate this Institute they've been hearing so much about and they head north.

When they get there the Institute is in pretty bad shape. More and more androids are becoming self awair and leaving which is causing an extreme lack of security for the scientists (most, if not all, of secuirty would be made up of androids). The Outcasts offer an alliance, they protect the scientists in exchange for advanced technology, particularly weapons and androids.

They agree and the Institute is fortified, the Outcasts feel as though they're keeping technology in the right hands and feel like they can live out their existance like this.

Then they hear of the CWBoS becoming a nation and expanding north. They begin to fear that someday their old enemies would reach them so they begin to make deals with settlements throughout the Commonwealth (such as take out a raider gang for the settlements being harassed by them to join them) and they became known as the Federation of the Commonwealth.

The FC expanded south as the CU expanded north and eventually the two met in Philidelphia (going off of WONDERWOMBAT's ideas perhaps the Pitt can also be there to have a three side faction war which would ironically be made up of people who were all part of the Brotherhood expedition to DC).

This would make for a very interesting game.

I can't see the Outcast leaving the Institute alone. They are for all intents and purposes a part of the Orginal Brotherhood. We know that the Original Brotherhood no longer leaves people alone if they have tech they want. The only right hands are their hands.

Rothschild, Lyons or whoever is in charge can't just annex a place like Rivet City. I doubt the people would just go along with that. The Midwestern Brotherhood get away with it because they say "join us or die" and they will kill them or send them to labour camps if they say no. I can't see any of Lyons guys doing that.

They're not leaving it alone, they're guarding dangerous technology which was the original purpose of the Brotherhood.

I could see Rivet City being annexed after years of working closely with the Brotherhood and the war the CWBoS is in going badly.

But the Oucast are still doing their original mission "find and bring back tech to Lost Hills" are they not? So they wouldn't make any deal with the Institute, unless it was some deal that heavy favoured the Outcast and the Institute doesn't seem to have any reason to make such a biased deal. Granted we know nothing of them, so maybe there could be something. Still the Institute make the Brotherhood look like school children by comparison when it comes to tech.

What reason would Rivet City have to justify their annexation? Seems to me no one in DC would let themselves be annexed. Lyons doesn't seem to have taking things over in his mind. Maybe Sarah does but I don't think Rothschild does. They aren't even recruiting people. You ask them to join and they say "we are full up" or something like that.

That's true. Maybe they were going to get as much technology as possible and then screw over the Institute and joureny back to lost Hills until they hear of their old enemies expanding and becoming stronger.

I just think that's Bethesda making it so you have to complete the main quest to be a part of the Brotherhood. They were recruiting, a lot of the people who are a part of the CWBoS are wastelanders who they hired.

Such as the one who got killed outside of GNR by the behemoth.

Makes sense, lets hope they don't repeat that with the next game. Forcing us to join the Brotherhood and having them as a major part of the series.

If alot of Lyons guys join the Outcast than their recruiting quality will be hard hit. It would be mostly noobs training noobs. I would love to see people joining Lyons BoS just so they can steal tech and ammo from them. Like power armour and plasma weapons. It happened to the MWBoS, there is a whole mission in Tactics were you hunt down and kill Brotherhood members that joined after Quincy. They made off with alot of tech, weapons and power armour.


"It’s not that I am not grateful that you saved me from the Beastlords. It’s not that at all, it’s just that I am not going to be some poor dirt farmer all my life." -Guldo Sciavo

Think about it. A group like the Brotherhood opening their doors to any wastelander and handing them energy weapons, ammo and Power Armour. You can't tell me that isn't going to attract bad people like Talon Company and raiders. Its not like there is some national ID program the BoS can check. Its all based on trust.

And if the Outcasts are their enemies I'm sure a few could slip in, steal more tech, and then slip away again.

Lyons BoS could fall apart completely if they're not careful.

What about a religious faction that believes like the Brotherhood that tech is dangerous and only there priests should be allowed to use tech?
Or a religious faction that believes all tech is evil and needs to be destroyed and those that use it should be cleansed

I completely agree. That is one of the reasons why I feel Lyons Brotherhood will not expand outside of DC for several decades if not more. Just to many unknown people being let into the group that could seriously screw them over. They also don't have the stomach to force people into their ranks. Can you see them putting people up on crosses and making labour camps? It could be one of the reasons that caused the MWBoS' downfall. Just pushed people to their breaking point.

I cannot.
At their cruelest they would ask politely in their current state.

If they were to start a nation or lay the groundwork for a nation to start then I couldn't see it controlling more than Maryland, Delaware, Virginia, and southeastern Pennsylvania. And with all of those important documents in DC about how the US government ran I can't really see it as anything except for a democracy or a republic (I think a republic would work better but that's just my opinion). Either that or they'll be annexed by another country.

Which I'm fine with, I want there to be several nations with conflicting beliefs and ideas.