So I've been thinking, after all these years of progress and rebuilding the NCR had done and gone through, I was wondering what sort of military technology, they might have reproduced? I mean, it's obvious the NCR didn't just progress and build non-combatant technologies, their military commanders must have worked and approved more combatant technologies? Other than what we know and have seen, what sort of various things could the NCR have?

I was thinking it wouldn't be too far of a stretch, to at least see them with some sort of aerial vehicle nowadays. Balloon corp. or something similar, to be more specific is what I was thinking. Balloons were used in some wars, decades before the 20th Century rolled around, mostly for observation posts, but there have been times where they floated over the enemy and tossed grenades out of the basket. It wouldn't be too big either, as it probably wouldn't be too popular of a place to be assigned, and they might not have too much of a use for ballooners checking out places?

What about a navy of some kind? Could the NCR have a NCRN, New California Republic Navy? Maybe they brought back the Age of Sail at the very most. I was thinking it would sort of be amusing to see a NCR Navy, sailing around in none other than something that resembled (or was simply just a reproduction) of those Chinese Junk boats. And seeing as the Shi might be absorbed into the NCR, their possibly passed down through the generations knowledge of ocean going, could have come in handy with this point. Again, like their balloon corp., it wouldn't necessarily be all that big.

By the way, if you're wondering where I pulled these ideas out of, I just started thinking about them after thinking about those NCR cavalry soldiers in the Fallout: New Vegas comic prequel, and wondering what else the NCR might have.

So what are you ideas, and what might you have to add to what's already given?

I would think that if they really wanted to they could produce most military tech. within reason, it would just be ungodly expensive, But I could be wrong on that, but they're able to mass-produce most weapons in the game and the ranger armor(both types) is pretty sophisticated too. They do have an armored division that I expect is mostly technicals with maybe a few old military APCs and the occasional tank, but almost certainly have some kind of vehicle in production the Masters Army apparently invented thier own nuclear powered cars, and I would not be surprised at all if there was an airforce at level with WW2 technology and a few jets and vertibirds, and I would be shocked if they didn't have SOME kind of navy, it wouldn't even have to be mass-produced: there are over 400 decommisioned gunboats sitting in various docks in california in our universe.

Also Col. Royez's power armor with the more advanced servos leads me to believe the Shi are working for the NCR. Overall I think they're military to be on the level with early-mid 20th century with some areas more advance.

NCR navy would make a lot of sense, for example since legion favors melee weapons/unarmed, shooting them from a boat/ship would be wise.

But for new suggestions, I'm surprised that there isn't any derringer kind of really small guns since there probably is some sort of need for them in NCR cities, say brahmin barons hiring assassins to take down politicians that anger them.

Ballons? Well BoS have developed one ballon, but it got destroid. I higly doubt NCR has that. NCR has a few Vertibirds captured from Enclave forces and they do have advanced standard weapons (machineguns and missile launchers, thanx to the gun runners) and alot of trucks and they have a train since they are maintaining the rail roads from Vegas to california + the one in Vegas going from mcarran to Vegas. No idea if they have tanks or anything, but since they can maintain a standard amount of trucks, tanks are a possibility.

Also, someone said they had airplanes, but it is unknown if they are in working order.

Actually the Brotherhood had multiple balloons that they sent east and got destroyed by storms (beleived to be the storms of the Divide).

And I think balloons could be a possibility, if not now then down the road. It would be useful to set up a quick sniper's post like they did sometimes in WW1.

I could possibly see a Navy and Airforce but i think most of NCR technolgy in convetinal weapons. We also still dont know what happened to the Shi. If they were absorbed in, NCR will be able to have power armor actually workable instead just being a big hulk of armor the heavies use. I will add more later, at school in the lab.

I agree with the Navy, especially since they have to go across all of California. A navy could protect their merchant ships going from the Boneyard to Arroyo. Small kinds of boats is what I imagine, powered by nuclear reactors or something of the sorts.

I doubt they would have an airforce, the enemies they fight don't really call for an airforce so I don't think they would rush anything. And it seems a lot of airplanes are laying around, especially in McCarren (which also seem to be untouched). They could probably reverse engineer those rather easily, and if they befriend the boomers, and airforce could become a possibility.

Also due to Lonesome Road and the Sierra Scorched Power Armor it seems that NCR at least has the technology to get power armor up and running, and possibly make it more efficient than it previously was. I think that means they had absorbed the Shi, because why would they help the NCR otherwise?

Well we know they work with companies such as the Gun Runners to make pre-war weapons. I wouldn't doubt they are producing Howitzers.

Their tech isn't that advanced though since they couldn't make proper use of Power Armour.

I forgot about the Scorched Sierra Armor, and plus i would see a small detachment of NCR vertibirds in the Mojave. Im thinking that the reason why they cant reproduce the Shis is that they dont have the resources or something else might have happned. So your right about the Shi getting absorbed.

I don't feel they absorbed the Shi based on one key thing. The Shi know how to fix power armour. They are a very advanced people, I would say greater than the Brotherhood of Steel, and below the Enclave by a bit.

I have a feeling the Shi are allied with the NCR or their scientists refused to work with the NCR if they had been taken over. Cause why wouldn't the NCR want to make use of T-51b Power Armour? The Shi could have not only got the suits the NCR captured from the BoS working, but improved on them by making them into Hardened Power Armour.

The amount of knowledge the NCR also has on Power Armor, suggests that it's not to the level of the Enclave or BoS, since their Heavy Armor troopers have the servos and other things, taken out of them that makes it easier for BoS and Enclave personnel to use. It shows that the NCR doesn't have the training skill necessary for that. I also don't think their military is up to the standard the Enclave is, with building Vertibirds that is, and probably use what little they have taken, for important personnel (like Bear Force 1,) only.


I think having an air force would be rather substantial to have, for the NCR. Whether it's balloons or even something as rugged as a early Wright Brothers design-like plane, it would be something useful. Considering the NCR's militaristic expansion, having an air force of some kind would just be another step ahead of their enemies, and mean they could do more damage before the enemy could do to them. If the NCR could get some balloons or something, to the Mojave, I'm sure they'd have no problem with Caesar and The Fort. They could fly high enough that spears and whatnot, couldn't reach them, and even though a balloon is a big object, it doesn't necessarily make for an easy target when it's high enough.

And like Sebor said, they could use balloons for simply putting a sniper up high and taking enemies out from there. And again, like I said, I don't think these things would be as big as the Army, considering how dangerous of a job it would be.

I don't think it's a matter of them not being able to fix them I think it's a problem of logistics and production not keeping up with demand. I don't think they can fully rebuild power armor from scratch but in FO 2 they could product combat armor. In the mojave I think t hey just out ran there ability to equip and ship out material thats why you have there troops being well equiped in the first battle of the Dam but by the second one you have all those troops being sent over under equipped.

The Shi looked to be advanced enough to fix power armour. There was even that hubologist guy that knew how to improve on PA to make Hardened PA. If the NCR captured a bunch of PA from the BoS they could send it to San Francisco and have the Shi to get it to work. People seem to think the Enclave and BoS are the only people with PA, but the Shi also had it. So if it came down to the NCR simply not knowing how to use it, they could have learned from the Shi.

Styles you had something that confused me.

First you said Shi could make hardened power armor.

Then you, correctly said, the Hubologist dude could make it.

Now, the question I guess what is canon. Personally, I don't think the Chosen One would bother much with the San Fran factions. Be more concerned with just getting fuel to get to the rig and save your people.

I personally killed all the Hubologists cuz I think they are freaks, but I got the fuel by hacking computer, which is what the Chosen One prolly did... then the Shi killed Badger for what I did. Poor guy... lol.

But anyway, I think the CO just ignore, hack for fuel, and get moving. I also don't think the Shi are as technologically advanced as BoS. Pretty sure you can also wipe all their stuff with a hard drive format.

However, I'm sure someone will develop some new PA, and that the BoS prolly will, too.

Of course maybe the CO was a homicidal maniac and by the time he got to San Fran he was all outta gum.

I lumped the humologists in with the Shi by mistake. The Shi have PA and they have other advanced tech and are doing some very advanced scientific work. It isn't a stretch to think they could repair PA and maybe even make it.

They probably can, so barring a homicidal maniac CO, they are also probably now NCR.

But screw the NCR. Can't stand em. In my first ever play through of FO2 I killed everyone in NCR. Except for the Rangers.

Why? Because that sheriff had a gauss rifle, and the vice president or whatever that guy was in a suit ticked me off

Of course, I also wiped out Vault City.

If we want to talk about who is rolling in tech, the ECBoS.

Hellfire and Tesla power armors. Vertibirds.

And MWBoS right there, too.

The NCR in Fallout New Vegas gutted the PA they got from the BoS and turned them into "Heavy Armour." That is why I don't think the Shi have been completely taken over by the NCR. Wouldn't it be better to have working T-51b power armour than to have T-51b shells? They would have sent the captured armour to the Shi and had them fix them up.

The Shi might only be allies with the NCR. That or the NCR leadership didn't see the value of having working power armour or the Shi aren't as advanced as they appeared to be in Fallout 2.

The MWBoS can't make their own PA.

Power Armor doesn't have to come from BoS.

Military bases. Enclave(some still wore old PA, even though we only see them on Rig, you don't always see everything).

As far as the MWBoS and PA:

With either the a) destruction of calculator merger with calculator and regardless c) the taking of Vault 0 and merger/takeover of the Reavers, the MWBoS by now should be able to develop and produce PA.

And because of d) they may have met Enclave who knows what tech or production could have been shared.

The NCR, imo, is still way behind the BoS and Enclave in tech. Probably because of the cost of expansion and wars/mini-wars.

It costs money to research and produce. Unless you are BoS etc where it is a way of life.

Well, in-game, the major advantage of the NCR PA is that you don't need the special training in order to wear it. That said, they might not have the infrastructure to train adequate numbers of recruits to use PA, the instructors with actual experience using PA, etc. And besides, the role their Heavy Troopers are used for do not require a whole lot of mobility (not that regular PA grants increased mobility to begin with) and is probably much cheaper to use their suits the way they have, as I imagine refurbishing a Brigades worth of PA-equipped troops costs a pretty penny, not to mention all the parts and equipment required as well. Perhaps regular PA is used on a limited scale just like the NCR's other modern technologies such as Vertibirds, trucks, trains and the like. Or we could just chalk it up to another plot hole.

Well the NCR have one real power armor, the scorched sierra power armor if u nuke them, but i guess thats the dudes personal armor.
Ok, but i doubt NCR has ballons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autogyro or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microlight would be a better choice than balloons really. Given the energy density of batteries/power-cells in the Fallout universe a small aircraft powered by an electric motor turning a propeller would be very simple to make and the NCR easily has the tech-base for them.

I sincerely hope that they use that technology to start killing themselves in a civil war. The ECBOS with the help of the LW has far more technology than they should.

Please explain, I'm interested why you think it's too much for them(the technology).

Because they are now leagues more powerful than anything else in the region? Better hope Lyon's and all his successors are good little girls and boys and that there isn't another internal schism.

Because the Brotherhood hasn't exactly proven themselves to be responsible with the use of technology. The East Coast BOS now essentially contains the power of the Enclave, Liberty Prime, Hercules Bradley (if they are able to repair the Mobile Crawler somehow), they use conscription to supplement their numbers, and the Lone wanderer is at their beck and call (and likely very much alive by the time of New Vegas). Then of course if (God forbid) Mothership Zeta is somehow canon, they have a freaking death-ray at their disposal. They could win a war if they went to war and I don't trust them. Its far too much power for one faction.


This as well.