So in Skyrim should we have New Crimes ? like
Drugsdealing(Dealing in Skooma And Other Drugs)
Selling Stolen Goods
Being Naked LOL
Selling Lockpicks and other Items that is usable for Thieves
And other crimes you can think of

The Crime System should be Better

Like staying for Couple of Days in Jail instead of Rest and then you get out it (Depending for what Crime you did)Example like when you stole something your in jail Depends for what your stolen 1 to 5 days in jail when You were Trespassing 2 to 5 Days When Selling Drugs or Stolen Good or Items Usable for thieves like Lockpicks 6 to 8 days When you killed someone 5 to 10 Days


Guards have Better Tactics Like They are setting Roadblocks
Guards will try to get you Surrounded
Guards won't get Unconscious just killed
Guards Will Attack with Horses & Armored Horses when High Bounty
Guards will try to Sneak Attack you
Guards Tries to Execute you
Difficulty of Guards get higher Depending on your Bounty
100 - 1000 Archers and Minor Guards
1000-5000 Minor Guards Archers And Horses
5000-10000 Roadblocks,Major guards,Archers,Horses,Minor Guards And Spies
10000-20000 Assassin's,Archers,Armored Horses,Major Guards,Battlemages,Minor Guards,Spies,Roadblocks and Wanted Posters
20000-50000 Knights,Assassins,Archers,Armored Horses,Major Guards,Battlemages,Minor Guards,Spies,Roadblocks And Wanted Posters

Some Guards putting Wanted Posters of you with Rewards so Peoples Tries to kill you for the Reward

Edit:Guards must not be Psychics maybe some Mages can be Psychics but guards no

What i think is that you should be able to hide your identity some way or another even with a high bounty. also the assassin's thing is cool if you have a very high one. they realy need to improve the gameplay for criminals.

What I think is....

This thread reminds me a lot of http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1176349-gta-style-leveled-crime-system/page__p__17384516__fromsearch__1#entry17384516 one.

Lets try to keep related topics narrowed down to ONE thread.

Yeah hiding your Identity for your bounty will be good or when you escaped the Bounty goes down

Tons of threads on this, but yes, I want more variation and complexity in the crime system.

wtf are you complaining about?


Also: if you are a thief (with thieves guild OR NOT) if you steal stuff and you are known for giving alot to the poors and doing good actions like also killing corrupted politicians or bad people you should be regarded as a good person by the population and some of them should help you get away from the guards

Just like Robin Hood? And do you mean that the guards still don't like you so will come after you?

well just like in real life even if guards do like you they will do their job no matter what their morale tells them. at least most of the time.

Variation would be nice

Forgive me asking, but of what use would be roadblocks in medieval time setting?

Also if I recall correctly drug dealing came to closest to realism in Morrowind, where certain vendors would refuse to trade in sugar, or skooma. More then that I can't see happening in terms of realism, unless after attempting to trade certain goods (revealing their possession) with/to government sanctioned merchants one could expect curious guards sent ti search him/her appearing on the doorstep some time after. That would happen most often if you'd decide to stay in the city for a couple of days. Also we have to remember that Skyrim is a war-torn state, which should distract any sort of ruling establishment
from chasing after thieves and smugglers, distracting attention of law from them thus making illegal trade, services and items more common and easier to come by.

Maybe some Heavy Armored Horses with Archers on the Road + Attack Dogs

Okay so they block the road...I turn around and go the other way. They block that way, I turn left or right off the road. We're on horses not in cars, and in wooded areas not a city (Do they road block in NYC?)

I think that actually is a pretty good repercussion for being a criminal. Get wanted enough and guards will patrol the main paths and what not, setting up roadblocks or 'traps' or checkpoints or whatever you want to call them. It kind of forces the player to stray from the beaten path to avoid detection/ a fight with 5-10 leveled guards.

If you are a criminal, dont expect to go lollygagging all over the world without someone trying to stop you.

Skyrim is in civil war...

Guards are gonna be much more lax towards minor offenses. Besides, drug dealing isn't illegal in TES as far as I know. I sold Skooma all the time in Oblivion, never got in trouble in Morrowind for having Moonsugar or Skooma, I just assume(d) that it isn't illegal, but is frowned upon. I doubt guards will even care too much about theft, unless it's of a powerful individual. Basically, the guards will most likely only react to assault and murder.

There aren't gonna be many guards to spare, they ain't gonna have the man power to set up barricades and crap, they're all fighting opposing factions and trying to keep peace in THEIR city. If you decide to flee, that just makes their job easier.

hey america is at war in iraq do they lessen the guard in new york city? its not because theres a war going on that every city will become un guarded and that they will overlook minor crimes.

Terrible anology comparing a country of over 300mil with a city with a population of 100 or so.(probably less)

Either way I think the guards won't be overlooking the little things, not that it doesn't make sense during a time of civil war, but because it would be a little cheap & boring to beable to get away with essentially everything beyond murdering someone in the streets.

they cities have a population of 100 or so because that the best they can do with a [censored] xbox with 512 mb of RAM but technically they are huge cities with thousands of people

True, at the very least it will be relatively the same for gameplay's sake. But I think that police, guards, whoever would still arrest people for offenses like burglary and fighting.

All right, but I don't seem to remember there being a fourth of a billion people in a TES game. There's, what, a million or so people in the military? Compared to about 300 million overall? That's a small percentage of people affected. And the fighting isn't done on our soil. It's a Civil War, not a national war. In the 1860's in America, I really doubt there was much law enforcement, since the war affected everyone.

As for the game, I'd like law to be enforced, but thinking of it realistically, it just doesn't seem likely. Not for petty offenses.

The PS3 isn't any better. If I remember correctly, it's worse actually. The PC isn't necessarily any better either, just depends on your system. PC has the capability of being better.

"Power-wise, the PS3 and Xbox 360 are very, VERY close in capabilities. To just give you a brief little bit of education:

* For one, their total RAM supply is more or less the same. (technically, the Xbox 360 has 522MB vs. 512MB for the PS3) It's double-edged here: the PS3 has an advantage for having a faster, more dedicated buffer for the CPU, but the 360 has the advantage that its GPU can access a full 512MB without the added latency the PS3 gets when the GPU needs to access the CPU's memory. (which is frequent, because in most games, the GPU needs more memory than the CPU, and on the PS3 both get 256MB)"

And if they sold exclusively to PC, they wouldn't make much money. Console War ended, all 3 consoles svck in their own way.

Even if the cities are supposed to be a representation of thousands of people. If it was truly a civil war then they would no doubt draft a large amount of the guardsmen(and others) to the war effort. Hell, even as big as a population as the US have they still used conscription during their civil war & world war 1 + 2.

Again I'm sure they won't use this system as while it would probably be more realistic, it would be less fun.

I dont care at all i was just giving an example. and no for a PC you can easily get 8 Gb of RAM for 100$ but anyway. dont bother reply i wont start a console war for sure.

PC is the best, but not the most convenient. I personally wish I had the $100 to have 8GB of RAM, but it's useless considering my computer won't run it from a graphics standpoint. 05 Dell, would have to buy a motherboard to upgrade my video card, would have to buy a power supply to upgrade my motherboard, and a cooling system would be recommended with the new power supply. That's looking at about $500. Compared to $150 for an Xbox 360 or PS3. You get what you pay for, more or less.They all equally svck.

Most crimes in the game don't need to be committable by the player, but they must be talked about in the game world and in the game books.

There should in general be few prisons because paying for their upkeep is undesirable, and as such there should be few reasons to have a prison stay. You can be sent there as part of the general lock-up until your trial, and for specific things they can have individual cells for torture.

If you aren’t caught for your serious crime but it is known who you are, you can be outlawed. Your property can be taken if there is any in the city, and the protections of law don’t apply to you. You can be killed on sight without penalty to the killer. The options you have are to exile yourself to the next city-state, to hide out for awhile with the help of your friends, or to find a way to the noble and beg forgiveness.

Guilds in an effort to self regulate will undertake responsibility for their members in many cases. They will handle the punishment and trying of their own when they can. The sentences will generally be lighter, but the effects will be more widespread because all the guildhalls across the province will be informed about the proceedings and restrict your advancement potential.

The fines for crimes usually go right to the noble overseeing the court, so these rights to judge are very important to them. If they can find a way to get you into their court for the crime, they will. There aren’t laws against double jeopardy; you might get a double judgment if your first trial wasn’t well known or public enough.

There is also the chance that a dispute will be resolved privately in a small manner, like a tavern owner issuing punishment for a barfight or the head of a farming work group issuing punishment for a herder who didn’t stand proper watch over the flock.

Below are listed the means of trying cases.

Nobles
-Trial by Battle for disputes between noblemen
-Decisions by the next highest rank of noble

Clergy
-Church courts are the only ones that can judge the clergy
-They give lighter sentences, and cannot sentence death
-Might have to prove yourself part of the church

Manor Courts
-These deal with charges of assault, theft, public drunkenness and other small crimes
-This court allows peasants to sue
-Most of the villagers would be there and decide the case
-Witnesses will be very important, and so is swaying the crowd
-Either the noble or his/her representative gives the sentencing

Imperial Courts/Royal Courts
-Are for serious crimes such as murder, treason, [censored], and abduction
-These courts can order executions
-The court takes the property of the people who are executed


And here is the list of crimes for the next game.

High Crimes – Death by various means
Treason
Conspiracy to Commit Treason

Severe Crimes – Public and private torture
Homicide
Attempted Homicide
Assault with a deadly weapon
Abduction
Robbery
Espionage

Felonies – Public Torture and humiliation
Harboring Exiles
advltery
[censored]
Bearing False Witness
Poisoning
Burglary
Burning houses
Blackmail
Identity Theft
Piracy
Grand Theft
Racketeering

Misdemeanors – Public humiliation
Assault
Assault and Battery
Fighting on holy ground
Aiding criminals
Manslaughter
Incendiary speeches
Negligence
Theft
Forestalling
Purpresture
Using false balances
Vagrancy
Public Nuisance
Squatting
Forgery
Smuggling
Tax Evasion
Trespassing
Vandalism
Disorderly Conduct

I want to have alter egos, and one of the main things ive wanted is to see guards crackdown on skooma dens and whatnot.