Alright, so I watched some of the vids on the closed forum, and I was looking forward to a new version of the only good combat enhancing mod out there.

Until... I saw.... someone's head *explode* from an *arrow*.

This... makes no sense what so ever, I liked the direction the first one was going, making combat more interesting and perhaps a bit more realistic by adding a way to end fight quicker than just giving your enemy over nine thousand sword lacerations.

But head exploding from an arrow? I honestly hope that there will be a feature to turn that off, because that is way too over the top and 'LOLFALLOUT3' to me.

Discuss.

... well I think this should be in SkyCaptain's thread. If his got closed due to post limit, then wait for the next..

Or you could PM him, he's a cool guy.

Or, you could just not download the new version.

Just a couple thoughts.

That feature was simply requested enough times, so I made it possible to happen on headshots. Can?t please everyone, up until v6 all those people who do want the feature are unhappy.


All in all, in this particular case I would say it probably brings more joy to them who like it, than hurts those who would rather not have it.

Heh, you could just as well not shoot the head. In Oblivion, you get no extra benefit from it - the arrows wont even stick in the head, they teleport to chest. A critical headshot like this feature changes that, but if one does not like it he can just continue to shoot in the torso - it?s easier to hit as well. What I?m after is that it wont happen accidentally - you specifically need to try and make a harder shot in attempt to trigger it - so it?s not like it?s actually a forced feature.

An option to turn it off or make it so that only enchanted arrows can give that exploding head effect would be nice if it doesn't require too much effort.
Even if it just stays like it is i still think it's an improvement looking at what Skycaptain said.

the arrows wont even stick in the head, they teleport to chest

You really shouldn't listen to the people who requested that. I mean, seriously, whoever thought that was a good idea or 'cool' are the kind of people we *don't* want making games. An arrow would NEVER carry enough force behind it to cause a violent hydroshock of the BRAIN.

I liked the previous deadly reflex, I'd hope that this feature could be turned off in an option, because I always instinctively go for the head with my bows. I'd rather not change my gameplay style to make up for a flaw in an otherwise great mod. =(

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Dude.. calling a mod maker out, especially one as dedicated as this guy, and calling his mod flawed is, put politely, extremely poor decorum.

Also, you're talking about realism in a game where we shoot fire from our hands, and can fall down cliffs without dying, and where Emperors turn into giant blazing golden dragons and kill giant red four armed demons. I think an enchanted arrow exploding a brain is pretty low on the "straining our suspension of disbelief" list when you stack it up against everything else. At least, it should be.

An enchanted arrow could be explanation enough. Besides that, authors frequently follow the rule of majority: if most people want it, they will have it. For me, I follow the rule of cool, if it is cool, screw realism... but that's me.

They are often one in the same

This message brought to you by Death playing an electric guitar >.<

not sure if its been said, but you could just get DR5, it doesnt have exploding heads, and still has alot of great stuff.

Only in the second post.

Ah, so you're calling it a flaw. Most people call stuff like that 'features'. Also, I think your gameplay style is flawed, if I recall correctly some "expert" on bows said that arrows can hardly get through a human skull, so you're using your bow in an unrealistic way! Stop that!

Edit: Also, my "respect for you" meter just went to 0 as you're basically saying a modder is not allowed to make his mod the way he wants to and should instead cater to your needs. Sigh.

It's called critique, and every artist can take critique. I'm not bashing him, I'm giving critique. =/



That is a cop out, it really is. The other parts of the fantasy deal with things that have invisible forces behind them, such as magic. But a bow is made out of wood, wood dosen't change it's properties and is entirely predictable on how it acts. =/



Your source is completely and utterly wrong, I have to say. Historical longbows have been found to have draw-weights (the amount of force needed to pull back the bowstring) of almost a hundred and eighty pounds. That's more than enough energy to pierce a steel briastplate, much less a human skull. =/



Scared of a little informed opinion are we? I know right, how dare I use the forums to reach out to a modder and express my concern over their hardworked product.

Informed opinion. Right. Calling a feature a modder worked on for say 10 hours (just a random guess) a 'flaw' is totally informed opinion. It's bashing, mate.
Also, when the modder offered a solution by saying you have to aim for the head for it to even happen, you whined that you have to alter your gameplay style.

Aww, let me feel really sorry for you. You have to change your gameplay style because a modder doesn't change their mod to be exactly as you want it
I do hope you notice how completely unbalanced those two things are.

Edit: Also, I'm amazed by the fact that you have no free will and are forced to use the newer version, it seems.

Probably an extremely conservative estimate.

How is pointing out a flaw, bashing? Are you serious? Notice how I did not insult or attack the modder, I praised him for his previous work and wanted him to know how he could improve his mod by adding a feature to disable some parts. If you honestly
think I'm bashing, then you need to get off your hobby horse and go look up a little word called 'critique'



Grow up. Modders aren't some untouchable force on this forum. I see this all the time, if someone even whispers critique in a modder's direction they get swarmed with this elitist bull. How dare I have an opinion and express it openly for discussion. How dare I show interest in a mod and 'compliment' a modder by sharing my concern for making it better for all.

It's not what you say, it's how you say it. And in this case, where as well.

Your 'critique' came off as a heavy handed and negative criticism.




We're all out to get you.




You mean better for you.

Skycaptain is a kind and patient person, who always has an ear open. If you would have thought about how you were wording things more carefully, and sent this in a PM instead of calling him out*, this would have turned out better for you.

*Posting what is in essence a private message on the open forum is provocative at best, intentional flame baiting at worst.

Then grow a thicker skin. I didn't insult him, so calling it something it's not is being *way* too sensitive.



I see it happen all the time. on this forum. People post critique over a mod, and they are quickly shut up.



Oh please, I'm not 'calling him out', so trying to make it seem that way is dishonest on your part. I wanted this to be in open discussion to raise awareness, and sending an individual pm is more likely to get dismissed than when it's being talked about.

Not that it is anyway. The topic seems to have shifted... >.>

There's a fine line between critique and trying to get an author to change their mod FOR YOU. You crossed it.

I'm not one of those ones who requested such features, but I do know what the majority of people who use Deadly Reflex use it for. If you read forums across the net, people always go: "Wow decapitation! Blood!" SkyCaptain knows this it seems, and he's welcome to make it however he'd like. I guarantee it will be in my load order anyway.

Isn't that what the hordes of kiddies who just got done playing fallout 3 were doing to the maker of this mod? Bugging him for headshot arrows so they can get their giblets fix?

This mod was about getting a giblet fix a long while before Fallout came out, and it has become an ever increasing mountain of blood and gore ever since. I doubt Fallout has much of anything to do with it.

Also, you wonder why people think you are behaving irrationally when you choose your statements in such a way that elevates you above the average user. By attaching a generalized, demeaning label to everyone who wants to see heads explode, you are verbally raising yourself up above them. And by them, I mean, most of us. We're not kiddies.

It comes down to a very simple thing.

You don't like the feature. Others do. Skycaptain listened to the others.

He's mentioned before that adding "optional components" isn't easy due to the type of mod it is.

So, you've said your piece, the creator disagrees. That's life.

Don't make an issue by declaring that Skycaptain and the people who like the feature are "wrong". "Wrong" is not an absolute term in this context.

This speaks for itself, it really does.



He never heard the other side.



This was also meant to be discussed, but instead I was treated to the elitist additude so prevalent in the mod building community. =/

"Raise awareness". And you're wondering why that isn't a stellar success?




Aside from your inability to re-examine your actions and admit you might not be right, this is your biggest issue. You automatically assumed he would dismiss your PM. You don't even know him. Skycaptain is a great guy, he's very kind, and very patient. He has helped me with several things in the past, and I have offered to help him out with a couple things in the future as a "thank you".

Kay, I'mma say two things before I get the heck out of this thread (which is currently on fire and careening towards the ground, fast). I can hardly believe I am going to say this, but hey, I suppose I need to speak on your level.

One. I am a professional moderator on a major network that has over 120 million posts, and have been for the last six years. I don't want to waste the time or the space explaining that this isn't arrogant bragging, but I've really stopped caring when it comes to you. You can think what you want. Actually, truth is..

.. I know you. I have locked your topic a thousand times, sent you as many warning PMs, and banned you a dozen times over when you went on a self righteous tirade strung out with insults, not realizing that the ToS also applies to PMs. I have watched you over and over, say things that you know are going to be provocative, and yet self assured that everyone will agree with you. The realization that everyone has called you out on your crap is never accompanied with the realization that you might actually be wrong. I have seen you again and again, say these things you know will be provocative, and when everyone doesn't agree, and when your back is against the wall, defend yourself to death as the innocent and the martyr. I have replied to dozens of your argumentative and confrontational PMs with the utmost diplomacy, trying to tell you that everything will be okay if you just let it rest, and you almost never do.

You are a pattern, and I have met you so many times.

Of course, I've also opened myself up to moderation by even participating in this little flame war. I accept that, and I won't argue with the mods.

Two. Modding is a form of creativity, and creativity is not a democracy. You are not paying for this product, and while SkyCaptain is a nice person, he is under no obligation to change anything based on anything other than his own whims. There is no need to "raise awareness", or form some kind of debate, because that debate is meaningless, and all you are doing is making yourself seem like an ungrateful kiddie (I can use that word too) who got a graqe svcker from the doctor instead of cherry.. when he gave you a choice of which you wanted to begin with. Either use DR6, or don't. DR5 is still perfectly serviceable if you don't want heads exploding with arrows. Or don't use them at all. I doubt it matters to anyone here.

*waves*

Must not have been any awareness in the first place.



Oh, I see, so you thought you would valiantly come to his defense as I mercilessly flame his mod like you seem to have lead yourself to believe? You just revealed that your part in this entire discussion is moved only by a sense of obligation for him, you don't actually care about the facts of what I have to say, it only matters that I'm saying it to him.

how about stop flaming me and getting back to the actual discussion. If you disagree with me, show it by debating about the subject and not relying on character assassination and personal attacks. =/