New disc format for Xbox 360? : Othor Games

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:02 am

I'd prefer rat brains.... just to save space.

I wonder if instead of scratched disks we'll have to deal with mental disorders.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:00 am

Well yes quality can be leaps and bounds better, BUT only if you take advantage of it. Are you telling me that every single Bluray disc that comes out is taking advantage of it? Sure movies like Avatar does this, but are you telling me that for example, Underworld 3: Rise of the Lycans is awsome on Bluray? It is a joke and an insult to my intelligence. I wasted over $10 buying that crappy movie on Bluray when I could have bought it on regular DVD. The quality svcked on it BIG TIME. So this is where I say Bluray is a Fail. It is not being taken advantage of in 99% of the time. Those 1% of the time is awsome I will agree, but it is so few and not really worth paying more than Regular DVD since the quality is the same for 99% of the movies I have experianced with.

So for Microsoft, do they really need a Bluray player since 99% or very few companies take actual advantage of Bluray? No they don't. All they need to do is find something to get more storage space. Even PS3 games don't really take advantage of Bluray. Final Fantasy XIII looks about the same to me on the 360 and PS3. Again, you will say it was made for the 360 as well. Again, people not taking advantage of the power of Bluray, so if you are not taking power of it, then why have it?

So since Microsoft only needs more disk space it doesn't need the power of Bluray. Can you name me a game that uses the power of Bluray to make the GAMES more cripser, more sharper more better? I can't name one and the only thing Bluray is good for gaming is storage and nothing else.

I'm sorry but I simply have to say you're wrong here. Where are you getting your facts and statistics from?

"99% or very few companies take actual advantage of Bluray?"

I'm sorry but that statement is factually wrong, out of the 100+ Bluray LIbrary I have, they all take advantage of "being bluray" and have higher quality than any DvD I've ever had. Maybe you don't have the right type of television to watch them on? Bluray quality is better, hands down, 9 out of 10 times. Like I said in my previous post, it's not my opinion, it's fact.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:15 am

Killzone 2/3, LittleBigPlanet, Heavy Rain, inFAMOUS etc.

The crispness of the software is also dependent on system hardware by the way, but either way Blu-Rays are superior due to their sheer storage capacity. Take Dead Space 2 for example, if you don't die, you'll never see a loading screen from start to finish. On the 360 you have to switch discs about half way through, but on the PS3 you don't. This is due to Blu-Ray discs.

I see no difference in them quality wise. Storage wise I agree with you, but if we are talking about games, I don't see bluray improving graphics. As you said, that is more of hardward dependent than the medium it is on. Also is there not an option on the 360 to install it to the hard drive just like on the PS3? I don't think any game on the PS3 can play of disk, it has to be installed on the hard drive. So could this not be a fail on Sony's part that the game has to be installed instead of playing off the disk?

For every Blu-ray you can name that looks bad, I'd be able to list one that's an excellent transfer. It's being taken advantage of by the majority of studios and your 1% figure is absolutely ridiculous. It's also not just about the video, but audio as well. DTS-HD and TrueHD both sound magnificent if your sound system is up to the task.

I thought I did say, that the 1% is from my experiance. On sales figures, yes Bluray is successfull, but my opnion is failure. Sorry if I didn't say that earlier.

As far as gaming goes, it's largely unnecessary beyond multi-disc games, which have managed just fine on PSone and Xbox 360. A slight inconvenience at most. Final Fantasy XIII on PS3 did have 1080p cutscenes and the 360's textures were slightly blurry/aliased from time to time, but for the most part Blu-ray brought little to the table.

Still, film benefits greatly from the format. With Blu-ray sales up and DVD sales down amidst the advent of digital distribution, I'd hardly consider it a failure.

Better said than me. I am not good with words. This is what I ment for gaming purposes, is it really that bad? Is it really worth it for Microsoft to try and make the next generation Xbox be more expensive just to try and compete with Bluray when it doesn't really add anything to gaming? Now if you want to say that the next generation Xbox is suppose to be your all in one entertainminet system like the 360 and PS3 is suppose to be, then yes I agree, bluray is better then because of the movies that take advantage of it. But for alot of people, they don't see the difference, so if they don't really see or notice the difference, is it really needed then?

Maybe that is why having that extra gig on space on the disk is what matters the most for gaming purposes.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:15 am

It's apparently the same discs they've been using, only with the video partition reduced/removed, freeing up about 1GB of storage space.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-1gb-360-disc-upgrade

Cheers for that. Hmm, doesn't sound very spectacular. Extra space is always good but is 1GB going to allow developers to do much more than they can do already?

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 7:49 am

Its just updating the DRM for the 360.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 9:27 am

An extra GB of memory for Disks so its 7.8 instead of the 6.8 that the maximum currently is. This could mean that Devs could put more stuff in the game but on the other hand you'll use up an extra 5-10 GB's if you install all of the games that you play to the harddrive which is what I do. It's not a terrible idea by any means I just wish Microsoft would've told us this at the start, would've made things a lot simpler.

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 4:16 am

I see no difference in them quality wise. Storage wise I agree with you, but if we are talking about games, I don't see bluray improving graphics.

More storage = bigger textures, higher quality audio/video

Just being on a blu-ray disc isn't going to magically make games "crisper".

» Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:26 am

By Bluray failure, I mean we are not really getting alot of extras out of it. Besides Avatar and a few other movies, we are not getting all the dazzle and spectacle that were were suppose to get from it. Also now, that alot of DVD movies don't have no extras and if you wanted the extras that use to be on DVDs you need to buy Bluray then. From 99% of the movies, I swear the quality is the same. I quit buying Bluray, the only noticble difference was Batman movie and Wall-E other wise might as well save a few bucks and get regular DVD.

Also if Microsoft can get more storage, then they don't have to liscence for a Bluray for thier next gen xbox, or develope some new type of hardware then. So this way next gen xbox will be cheaper and not so expensive.

I don't agree with defining blu-ray a failure because of manufacturers not including all content possible. The blu ray technology is stable and used, they just aren't filling the disks yet. What makes you think that an MS solution would have developers/producers put more content on it than a blu ray disk? By that definition DVD's that aren't at full capacity are a "failure" too.

Better said than me. I am not good with words. This is what I ment for gaming purposes, is it really that bad? Is it really worth it for Microsoft to try and make the next generation Xbox be more expensive just to try and compete with Bluray when it doesn't really add anything to gaming? Now if you want to say that the next generation Xbox is suppose to be your all in one entertainminet system like the 360 and PS3 is suppose to be, then yes I agree, bluray is better then because of the movies that take advantage of it. But for alot of people, they don't see the difference, so if they don't really see or notice the difference, is it really needed then?

Maybe that is why having that extra gig on space on the disk is what matters the most for gaming purposes.

It isn't if it makes an actual difference, it's if people can buy it. Also more disk space would mean that developers would have to worry less about compression (I assume) which would be another positive for developing on the Xbox360 platform.