New Elder Scrolls Novels : The Elder Scrolls Series Discussion

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:45 pm

As for Lycanthropic_Nerev's ideas of war, I'm not sure either. Orcs are said to be at good terms with the Bretons as of late and the Nords already have their share of territory extension (the war of Bend'r-Mahk).

I think this depends on where you're looking from. By Infernal City, King Gortwog will be long dead. His heir may well be much less savvy than he is, and decide to go to war to expand Orsinium's borders. This could be worsened by varying degrees depending on the state of the Empire. And that's only one example. Dunmer would or will have likely succeded from the Empire, probably violently, Elsweyr may fight in either East or West for land. No telling.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:51 am

I think this depends on where you're looking from. By Infernal City, King Gortwog will be long dead. His heir may well be much less savvy than he is, and decide to go to war to expand Orsinium's borders. This could be worsened by varying degrees depending on the state of the Empire. And that's only one example. Dunmer would or will have likely succeded from the Empire, probably violently, Elsweyr may fight in either East or West for land. No telling.

Interesting, I had forgotten that Gortwog's lifespan probably is similar to a human's. Most of the mer from the end of the Third Era will still be alive, of course, except for those killed in what will presumably be the anarchic years of the Interregnum, however long that lasts.

The passage of forty years before the novel has potential for the original Lore RP (Loranna's). It will be a challenge for those of us who had favorite RP characters who are non-mer. If the timeline holds true for a future TES V game, there could be a revival of the RP thread on the forums. Too soon to tell, of course.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:17 pm

Does anyone know if there will be a hardcover edition of The Infernal City?

» Fri May 27, 2011 11:27 am

Does anyone know if there will be a hardcover edition of The Infernal City?

i suspect so. most books release 1. well most books i have seen

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:25 am

Does anyone know if there will be a hardcover edition of The Infernal City?

Well, in England, most books are released in HardBack (More expensive eswell.)
Seems like an interesting book. I wonder if Champ of Cyrodill will be there alogside his friend Neveraine?

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:32 am

i suspect so. most books release 1. well most books i have seen

Yea, that's what I was thinking. But I preordered my copy today at Barnes and Noble and the lady behind the counter didn't ask if I wanted hardcover or paperback, and bn.com only has a paperback edition. I was really hoping to get a hardcover copy.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:09 pm

Well, in England, most books are released in HardBack (More expensive eswell.)
Seems like an interesting book. I wonder if Champ of Cyrodill will be there alogside his friend Neveraine?

Hopefully not.

Nerevarine is gone to Akavir, Champ of Cyrodiil is the new Sheogorath. There's no way we're going to see them back, and it's much better that way. Your character in every Elder Scrolls is but a pawn who is disposed of when his deed is done.

In other, gameplay words: No one wants to see their characters from previous games having a specific race, name and six.
Heroes of past games are mentioned only by their titles and will stay that way.

» Thu May 26, 2011 11:53 pm

Thought I'd quote this from a previous discussion.

Don't you see? The book is set 40 years after Oblivion. And Tamriel is threatened by a new evil. It doesn't seem like there's been any civil war, does it...

We can't say for sure. The plot synopsis and the amazon plot description speak of princes and suggest a new stable lineage, but the lore is chock full of little wannabe-empires popping up within the power vacuum that occurs after a central government has been offed. Cuhlecain, Emperor Zero, the one for whom Talos was a general, was one of those. He claimed the title of Emperor, had his little slice of territory, and attempted to grab more. 'Twas only thanks to Septim that he got anywhere with it (before he was assassinated and Tiber's throat was slit open).

This "prince" and his lineage may be of the same mold:
Little barony (heck, even a significant portion of a former province) claims right to the throne, amidst huge and colossal power conflicts against old alliances and fracture lines (Aldmeri Dominion, Cyro-Nordic alliance, Ra'Gada awesomeness, etc), and with multiple others claiming the right to that exact same throne alongside. Amidst squabbling, Giant Evil City of Doom™ comes into play, potentially either temporarily unifying the divisions, or widening them as all sides attempt to gain favor with said City of Doom or use the effects and fear to their advantage.

A prince does not mean an absence of post-Septim fallout and warfare. After all, it's was until recently a somewhat truthful joke in High Rock to, "Find a new hill, [and] become a king."

i'm guessing alot can happen in 40 years, considering how in one year the blackwood company left cyrodiil, the mages guild got a new arch-mage, the curse of the gray fox was removed, MD invaded tamriel, a gate to the SI opened, Uriel and all his sons died, the fighters guild got a new master, and countless other small things, now multiply that by 40 to get an idea of how much they are going to have to fill thats gonna' be one piece of work

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:15 am

can i just ask those that have seen the cover for The Infernal City. who else like me thinks the buildings on the giant rock look slightly telvanni???WTF

» Fri May 27, 2011 10:38 am

My first opinion was that of many other posters here that the architecture looks Dunmeri. I wasn't projecting either. I just thought, 'Hmmmm. Quaint cover. Hey they look like Dunmer buildings'. But then again you can tell very few plots by their covers. And I believe that with such a back history despite it not being within literature, the artist would have been given reference materials whilst being to some extent privvy to the plot.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:44 pm

My first opinion was that of many other posters here that the architecture looks Dunmeri. I wasn't projecting either. I just thought, 'Hmmmm. Quaint cover. Hey they look like Dunmer buildings'. But then again you can tell very few plots by their covers. And I believe that with such a back history despite it not being within literature, the artist would have been given reference materials whilst being to some extent privvy to the plot.

i know what you mean, perhaps a cross between telvanni and dunmeri or perhaps something different and completely new

» Fri May 27, 2011 8:20 am

Personally, it looked like passing velothi stuff. So maybe it is more to do with either Morrowind or the pilgrimage of the original Chimer to Resdayn, or it might as easily not be and we're reading too far into it. In fact, I have a question, does Velothi architecture look anything like old Aldmer architecture? Maybe it's some sort of Aldmer or Aedric super-weapon?

» Fri May 27, 2011 7:58 am

Umbriel? Umbriel?

The damn(ned) city is named after a moon of Uranus.

On the other hand, it seems to be connected to the word "umbra", which I believe means "shadow" in Latin. Makes sense, seeing how it works and all.
But it makes me wonder if it has anything to do with the sword, Umbra?

Both are very necromancey, so maybe the villain is connected to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Umbra#Umbra in some way?

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:15 pm

Whatever the case, and with minimal speculation, I am rather looking forward to the reading.

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:55 am

For those unbeknowest, http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0345508017/ref=s9_simz_gw_s0_p14_t1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0KYPZ0A1XYHKB88TDV2F&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470938631&pf_rd_i=507846 has been released. Lookes fairly sixy, the buildings atop the rock seem (to me, at least) Dwemeri in appearance.

Ooh.

Okay.

That is, in my mind, exactly what an "Elder Scrolls" novel should look like. It reminds me of the concept art for "Morrowind."

"Riel" is "Beauty". Bosriel, for example, is "Forest's Beauty".
So Umbriel may be something like "Shadow Beauty".

It's certainly pretty enough.

*is still oogling the cover art*

Anyone else think the cities architecture looks very Dunmeri?

No.

can i just ask those that have seen the cover for The Infernal City. who else like me thinks the buildings on the giant rock look slightly telvanni???WTF

No one.

» Thu May 26, 2011 9:45 pm

Umbriel is also the name a gnome and given its context, may prove more insightful. I think umbriel would be better kept to a small fraction of the novels, unless all encompassing evil is the theme for the entire series now.

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:14 pm

Umbriel? Umbriel?

The damn(ned) city is named after a moon of Uranus.

On the other hand, it seems to be connected to the word "umbra", which I believe means "shadow" in Latin. Makes sense, seeing how it works and all.
But it makes me wonder if it has anything to do with the sword, Umbra?

Both are very necromancey, so maybe the villain is connected to http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Umbra#Umbra in some way?

She's also a character in the [censored] of the Lock.

(Mods, please stop deleting my posts with the word [censored] in them. It is totally relevant in this case)

» Fri May 27, 2011 12:31 am

She's also a character in the [censored] of the Lock.

(Mods, please stop deleting my posts with the word [censored] in them. It is totally relevant in this case)

IL returns nothing.
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=72791987&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=the+%5Bcensored%5D+of+the+Lock

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:12 pm

IL returns nothing.
http://search.freefind.com/find.html?id=72791987&pageid=r&mode=ALL&n=0&query=the+%5Bcensored%5D+of+the+Lock

Wiki it.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:04 am

Wiki it.

Oh,I thought he was talking about an in-game book.

» Fri May 27, 2011 1:05 pm

Just to get a feel, who thinks the book will actually take place after the events of not only Oblivion, but also TESV? Someone sais that may happen a while ago and while I doubt it, I just want to see where you guys are all at.

Also, something about the new blurb makes me think that it may flesh out and de-svck the handling of the Oblivion Crisis somehow. Just a hunch.

» Fri May 27, 2011 2:12 am

Before TESV, I guess. I wouldn't look forward to the coercion, on the development of my characters, from the books being after the events of TESV. Unless the events of TESV are extremely obscure to anyone not directly involved.

» Fri May 27, 2011 6:46 am

It wouldn't make much sense to have it after TESV, because IIRC they mentioned somewhere that the events between the Oblivion Crisis and the time the books take place in would be touched upon/explained/however you want to call it. It only seems like that might spoil TESV.

Maybe the books are setting the stage for TESV? :shrug: A lot can be said in a book in a shorter amount of time (since a game takes ~4 years to make, a book or even two taking less than that), so perhaps one reason for the books is to get across information that would otherwise take a long time to convey through game installments.

» Fri May 27, 2011 4:52 am

A floating city, a new heir to the empire, and a little girl ... doesn't sound too interesting to me!

thanks
eric

» Thu May 26, 2011 10:52 pm

A floating city, a new heir to the empire, and a little girl ... doesn't sound too interesting to me!

thanks
eric

To each his own, but I happen to know the author has put out some really good stuff. Blurbs don't tell you much about a book anyway.