New Elder Scrolls Novels thread #5

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:17 am

I remember that interview and recognized quite clearly that TES IV was a LOTR knock-off. Which is why I feel the Elder Scrolls series is going downhill ever since Todd took over. Unless I hear excellent reviews of TES V first then I'm not buying.

Todd was the director for Morrowind so I trust him to make me a good TES game. And Oblivion was great (obviously it isn't as good as Morrowind), every game, be it TES or something, has its pros and cons. I don't understand how one game makes you think the series is going downhill.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:08 pm

Speaking of the Novels, did anyone catch the slip up? Apparently the Novels bridge the gap to the next game (Not the news, honestly as long as Bethesda is in business there is going to be Elder Scrolls games) but the news is that TES:V could be set 200years after the Oblivion Crisis. Hopefully the don't Fable 2 it up and make it stupid.

Linkypoo: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95699-Rumor-Next-Elder-Scrolls-Game-to-be-set-200-Years-After-Oblivion

Rumors are Rumors, but just interesting little tidbit to get ya'll imaginations stirring.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:52 pm

Speaking of the Novels, did anyone catch the slip up? Apparently the Novels bridge the gap to the next game (Not the news, honestly as long as Bethesda is in business there is going to be Elder Scrolls games) but the news is that TES:V could be set 200years after the Oblivion Crisis. Hopefully the don't Fable 2 it up and make it stupid.

Linkypoo: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/95699-Rumor-Next-Elder-Scrolls-Game-to-be-set-200-Years-After-Oblivion

Rumors are Rumors, but just interesting little tidbit to get ya'll imaginations stirring.

Yep, we've been discussin' that.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:38 am

Pre-order'd.

Does anyone know about how long it is? Not that that will be a deterrent at all, I'm just wondering.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:24 am

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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:47 am

This is totally irrelevant, but if Nirn isn't round, and is somehow infinitely large and small, does it have a horizon? If so, how far can one see compared to earth?
Please don't come up with any "lore answer", like "it's made to look like this for mortals, but is not truly understandable". I do agree that the setting of TES is earth based, but that is not a planet the size of earth, orbiting around the sun like Darkstone seems to think in this discussion. But give me an ansver like that, and I will think it is what it is, a bad excuse, no more.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:52 am

Well, Nirn isn't really made of anything but pure magicka. Raw power stolen from the Aedra. I know that the moons and planets are actually the corpses of the Aedra, and that our perception of them as planets is simply our pitiful mortal minds unable to cope with their existence, but if I recall, Nirn isn't like that. What you see is what you get.


What a lot of you are forgetting is the cardinal rule of fantasy: Everything works just like our world unless said otherwise. You don't get people running around asking if the humans in TES defecate from their ears and shoot piss from their nostrils, because they have a human form, talk in human tongue, and act human. You don't have to ask why the wind blows in TES unless there is a damned good reason to believe that it ISN'T caused by air pressure differences.

As far as Nirn being round; I believe Redgaurd represented all of the http://www.imperial-library.info/astro/#B2, because they do apparently have orbits and rotations (something that could be observed by telescopes, which there are in TES).
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 1:54 pm

I think its time to learn some things more about the Akavir Empire
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:52 am

Which one?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:06 am

I think its time to learn some things more about the Akavir Empire

Last time we tried that, they misplaced their welcome mat and everyone had a little too many and police got involved.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:49 am

I wonder if Prince Attrebus in the novel is from Akavir. But more likely Bethesda won't open up that can of worms. Akavir seems to be meant to always be an exotic land across the ocean, with the actual games always set in Tamriel instead.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:37 pm

I wonder if Prince Attrebus in the novel is from Akavir. But more likely Bethesda won't open up that can of worms. Akavir seems to be meant to always be an exotic land across the ocean, with the actual games always set in Tamriel instead.


I say , before we have seen everything and done verything there is to do in Tamriel, leave Akavir alone.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:07 pm

it does not matter whether we agree or disagree about this, because they did it and it is now lore. turning cyrodiil back into a jungle is confusing and further corrupting the issue, and should not be done. we have what we have, lets deal with it instead of complaining for 4 more years.

Well, fine, it can be a forest, as long as it is an interesting forest. It's a fantasy forest, there's no reason the leaves have to be green. Spikes growing out of tree trunks, succulent oddly-shaped fruits and leaves, poisonous leaves, peculiarly shaped hedges... And aside from the flora, there's no reason why the terrain itself can't be cool (i.e. rock formations and whatnot).

Besides, it wasn't a very convincing portrayal of an "Earth" forest. I live in a forest. Cyrodiil had a sprinkling of new-growth trees, with minuscule flora variety. If speed trees/billboard trees are so easy to render, there's no reason to not whip up more than five different canopies and more than 2 different trunk models.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:34 pm

Besides, it wasn't a very convincing portrayal of an "Earth" forest. I live in a forest. Cyrodiil had a sprinkling of new-growth trees, with minuscule flora variety. If speed trees/billboard trees are so easy to render, there's no reason to not whip up more than five different and more than 2 different trunk models.

I also felt like there should have been more variety in the trees and other flora. Natural Environments helps in this area a bit but I would have liked it more if it were from Beth.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 7:18 am

so i read that the novels bridge the gap between es4 and es5 and set up the story for the next game or something like that.

has this been confirmed or is it just speculation?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:08 am

so i read that the novels bridge the gap between es4 and es5 and set up the story for the next game or something like that.

has this been confirmed or is it just speculation?


It is speculated, but has great credibility, a past member has posted something that matched what people are saying today, before any source on the internet came up, because of this many people are seriously believing starting to believe him, however there has been no official statement from Bethesda or Todd Howard, therefore it is not confirmed, but Todd can't let that little slip go out for long, if they already decided the background of TES V, then it is literal proof that they have made plans for TES V, plus that they have likely started work on it (everyone knew all along, this would be just confirmation to what we knew all along)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 8:34 am

Has anyone picked up the game informer #199 issue?
I read on the bethesda blog that theres an interview from one of the Oblivion developers regarding current lore and how it will effect the novel.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:44 am

Has anyone picked up the game informer #199 issue?
I read on the bethesda blog that theres an interview from one of the Oblivion developers regarding current lore and how it will effect the novel.

Yes I said something about this earlier about that on this thread unfortunately the author for the TES book ( forgot his name ) has only played Oblivion.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:55 am

Just read the excerpt, and I'm really looking forward to this book.

I think I'll even make a new Argonian character to pass the time: Bag-Of-Offal. :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:49 pm

Just read the excerpt, and I'm really looking forward to this book.

Excerpt? Is there a readable excerpt online or something?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:01 pm

Excerpt? Is there a readable excerpt online or something?


EXCERPT
Chapter One


A pale young woman with long ebon curls, and a male with muddy green scales and chocolate spines, crouched on the high rafters of a rotting villa in Lilmoth, known by some as the Festering Jewel of Black Marsh.

“You’re finally going to kill me,” the reptile told the woman. His tone was thoughtful, his saurian features composed in the faint light bleeding down through the cracked slate roof.

“Not so much kill you as get you killed,” she answered, pushing the tight rings of her hair off her face and pressing her slightly aquiline nose and gray-green gaze toward the vast open space beneath them.

“It works out the same,” the other hissed.

“Come on, Glim,” Anna?g said, tossing herself into her father’s huge leather chair and clasping her hands behind her neck. “We can’t pass this up.”

“Oh, I think it can be safely said that we can,” Mere-Glim replied. He lounged on a low weavecane couch, one arm draqed so as to suspend over a cypress end table whose surface was supported by the figure of a crouching Khajiit warrior. The Argonian was all silhouette, because behind him the white curtains that draqed the massive bay windows of the study were soaked in sunlight.

“Here are some things we could do instead.” He ticked one glossy black claw on the table.

“Stay here in your father’s villa and drink his wine.” A second claw came down. “Take some of your father’s wine down to the docks and drink it there.” The third. “Drink some here and some down at the docks . . .”

“Glim, how long has it been since we had an adventure?”

His lazy lizard gaze traveled over her face.

“If by adventure you mean some tiring or dangerous exercise, not that long. Not long enough anyway.” He wiggled the fingers of both hands as if trying to shake something sticky off them, a peculiarly Lilmothian expression of agitation. The membranes between his digits shone translucent green. “Have you been reading again?”

He made it sound like an accusation, as if “reading” was another way of referring to, say, infanticide.

“A bit,” she admitted. “What else am I to do? It’s so boring here. Nothing ever happens.”

“Not for lack of your trying,” Mere-Glim replied. “We very nearly got arrested during your last little adventure.”

“Yes, and didn’t you feel alive?” she said.

“I don’t need to ‘feel’ alive,” the Argonian replied. “I am alive. Which state I would prefer to retain.”

“You know what I mean.”

“Hff. That’s a bold assertion,” he sniffed.

“I’m a bold girl.” She sat forward. “Come on, Glim. He’s a were- crocodile. I’m certain of it. And we can get the proof.”

“First of all,” Mere-Glim said, “there’s no such thing as a were- crocodile. Second, if there were, why on earth would we care to prove it?”

“Because . . . well, because people would want to know. We’d be famous. And he’s dangerous. People around there are always disappearing.”

“In Pusbottom? Of course they are. It’s one of the dodgiest parts of town.”

“Look,” she said. “They’ve found people bitten in half. What else could do that?”

“A regular crocodile. Lots of things, really. With some effort, I might be able to do it, too.” He fidgeted again. “Look, if you’re so sure about this, get your father to talk Underwarden Ethten into sending some guards down there.”

“Well, what if I’m wrong? Father would look stupid. That’s what I’m saying, Glim. I need to know for sure. I must find some sort of proof. I’ve been following him—”

“You’ve what?” He gaped his mouth in incredulity.

“He looks human, Glim, but he comes and goes out of the canol like an Argonian. That’s how I noticed him. And when I looked where he came out —I’m sure the first few steps were made by a crocodile, and after that by a man.”

Glim closed his mouth and shook his head.

“Or a man stepped in some crocodile tracks,” he said. “There are potions and amulets that let even you gaspers breathe underwater.”

“But he does it all the time. Why would he do that? Help me be sure, Glim.”

Her friend sibilated a long hiss. “Then can we drink your father’s wine?”

“If he hasn’t drunk it all.”

“Fine.”

She clapped her hands in delight. “Excellent! I know his routine. He won’t be back in his lair until nightfall, so we should go now.”

“Lair?”

“Sure. That’s what it would be, wouldn’t it? A lair.”

“Fine, a lair. Lead on.”



And now here we are, Anna?g thought.

They had made their way from the hills of the old Imperial quarter into the ancient, gangrenous heart of Lilmoth—Pusbottom. Imperials had dwelt here, too, in the early days when the Empire had first imposed its will and architecture on the lizard people of Black Marsh. Now only the desperate and sinister dwelt here, where patrols rarely came: the poorest of the poor, political enemies of the Argonian An-Xileel party that now dominated the city, criminals and monsters.

They found the lair easily enough, which turned out to be a livable corner of a manse so ancient the first floor was entirely silted up. What remained was vastly cavernous and rickety and not that unusual in this part of town. What was odd was that it wasn’t full of squatters— there was just the one. He had furnished the place with mostly junk, but there were a few nice chairs and a decent bed.

That’s about all they got to see before they heard the voices, coming in the same way they had—which was to say the only way. Anna?g and Glim were backed up in the corner, and here the walls were stone. The only way to go was up an old staircase and then even farther, using the ancient frame of the house as a ladder. Anna?g wondered what sort of wood—if wood it was—could resist decomposition for so long. The wall- and floorboards here had been made of something else, and were almost like paper.

So they had to take care to stay on the beams.

Glim hushed himself; the figures in the group below were gazing up—not at them, but in their vague direction.

Anna?g took a small vial from the left pocket of her double-briasted jacket and drank its contents. It tasted a bit like melon, but very bitter.

She felt her lungs fill and empty, the elastic pull of her body around her bones. Her heart seemed to be vibrating instead of beating, and the oddest thing was, she couldn’t tell if this was fear.

The faint noises below suddenly became much louder, as if she was standing among them.

“Where is he?” one of the figures asked. They were hard to make out in the dim light, but this one looked darker than the rest, possibly a Dunmer.

“He’ll be here,” another said. He—or maybe she—was obviously a Khajiit— everything about the way he moved was feline.

“He will,” a third voice said. Anna?g watched as the man she had been following for the last few days approached the others. Like them, he was too far away to see, but she knew him by the hump of his back, and her memory filled in the details of his brutish face and long, unkempt hair.

“Do you have it?” the Khajiit asked.

“Just brought it in under the river.”

“Seems like a lot of trouble,” the Khajiit said. “I’ve always wondered why you don’t use an Argonian for that.”

“I don’t trust ’em. Besides, they have ripper eels trained to hunt Argonians trying to cross the outer canol. They’re not so good at spotting me, especially if I rub myself with eel-slime first.”

“Disgusting. You can keep your end of the job.”

“Just as long as I get paid for it.” He pulled off his shirt and removed his hump. “Have a look. Have a taste, if you want.”

“Oh, daedra and Divines,” Anna?g swore, from the beam they crouched on. “He’s not a were-croc. He’s a skooma smuggler.”

“You’re finally going to kill me,” Glim said.

“Not so much kill you as get you killed.”

“It works out the same.”

And now Anna?g was quite sure that what she felt was fear. Bright, terrible, animal fear.

“By the way,” the Khajiit below said, lowering his voice. “Who are those two in the rafters?”

The man looked up. “Xhuth! if I know,” he said. “None of mine.”

“I hope not. I sent Patch and Flichs up to kill them.”

“Oh, kaoc’,” Anna?g hissed. “Come on, Glim.”

As she stood, something wisped through the air near her, and a shriek tore out of her throat.

“I knew it,” Glim snapped.

“Just—come on, we have to get to the roof.”

They ran across the beams, and someone behind her shouted. She could hear their footfalls now—why hadn’t she before? An enchantment of some sort?

“There.” Glim said. She saw it; part of the roof had caved in and was resting on the rafters, forming a ramp. They scrambled up it. Something hot and wet was trying to pull out of her chest, and she hysterically wondered if an arrow hadn’t hit her, if she wasn’t bleeding inside.

But they made it to the roof.

And a fifty-foot fall.

She pulled out two vials and handed one to Mere-Glim.

“Drink this and jump,” she said.

“What? What is it?”

“It’s—I’m not sure. It’s supposed to make us fly.”

“Supposed to? Where did you get it?”

“Why is that important?”

“Oh, Thtal, you made it didn’t you? Without a formula. Remember that stuff that was supposed to make me invisible?”

“It made you sort of invisible.”

“It made my skin translucent. I looked like a bag of offal walking around.”

She drank hers. “No time, Glim. It’s our only hope.”

Their pursuers were coming up the ramp, so she jumped, wondering if she should flap her arms or . . .

But what she did was fall, and shriek.

But then she wasn’t falling so fast, and then she was sort of drifting, so the wind actually pushed her like a soap bubble. She heard the men hollering from the roof, and turned to see Glim floating just behind her.

“See?” she said. “You need to have a little faith in me.”

She barely got the sentence out before they were falling again.



Later, battered, sore, and stinking of the trash pile that broke their final fall, they returned to her father’s villa. They found him passed out in the same chair Anna?g had been in earlier that morning. She stood looking at him for a moment, at his pale fingers clutched on a wine bottle, at his thinning gray hair. She was trying to remember the man he had been before her mother died, before the An-Xileel wrested Lilmoth from the Empire and looted their estates.

She couldn’t see him.

“Come on,” she told Glim.

They took three bottles of wine from the cellar and wound their way up the spiral stair to the upper balcony. She lit a small paper lantern and in its light poured full two delicate crystal goblets.

“To us,” she said.

They drank.

Old Imperial Lilmoth spread below them, crumbling hulks of villas festooned with vines and grounds overgrown with sleeping palms and bamboo, all dark now as if cut from black velvet, except where illumined by the pale phosphorescences of lucan mold or the wispy yellow airborne shines, harmless cousins of the deadly will-’o-wisps in the deep swamps.

“There now,” she said, refilling her glass. “Don’t you feel more alive?”

He blinked his eyes, very slowly. “Well, I certainly feel more aware of the contrast between life and death,” he replied.

“That’s a start,” she said.

A small moment passed.

“We were lucky,” Glim said.

“I know,” she replied. “But . . .”

“What?”

“Well, it’s no were-croc, but we can at least report the skooma dealers to the underwarden.”

“They’ll have moved by then. And even if they catch them, that’s a drop of water in the ocean. There’s no stopping the skooma trade.”

“There certainly isn’t if no one tries,” she replied. “No offense, Glim, but I wish we were still in the Empire.”

“No doubt. Then your father would still be a wealthy man, and not a poorly paid advisor to the An-Xileel.”

“It’s not that,” she said. “I just—there was justice under the Empire. There was honor.”

“You weren’t even born.”

“Yes, but I can read, Mere-Glim.”

“But who wrote those books? Bretons. Imperials.”

“And that’s An-Xileel propaganda. The Empire is rebuilding itself. Titus Mede started it, and now his son Attrebus is at his side. They’re bringing order back to the world, and we’re just—just dreaming ourselves away here, waiting for things to get better by themselves.”

The Argonian gave his imitation shrug. “There are worse places than Lilmoth.”

“There are better places, too. Places we could go, places where we could make a difference.”

“Is this your Imperial City speech again? I like it here, Nn. It’s my home. We’ve known each other since we were hatchlings, yes, and if you didn’t already know you could talk me into almost anything, you do now. But leaving Black Marsh—that you won’t get me to do. Don’t even try.”

“Don’t you want more out of life, Glim?”

“Food, drink, good times—why should anyone want more than that? It’s people wanting to ‘make a difference’ causing all the troubles in the world. People who think they know what’s better for everyone else, people who believe they know what other people need but never bother to ask. That’s what your Titus Mede is spreading around—his version of how things ought to be, right?”

“There is such a thing as right and wrong, Glim. Good and evil.”

“If you say so.”

“Prince Attrebus rescued an entire colony of your people from slavery. How do you think they feel about the Empire?”

“My people knew slavery under the old Empire. We knew it pretty well.”

“Yes, but that was ending when the Oblivion crisis happened. Look, even you have to admit that if Mehrunes Dagon had won, if Martin hadn’t beaten him—”

“Martin and the Empire didn’t beat him in Black Marsh,” Glim said, his voice rising. “The An-Xileel did. When the gates opened, Argonians poured into Oblivion with such fury and might, Dagon’s lieutenants had to close them.”

Anna?g realized that she was leaning away from her friend and that her pulse had picked up. She smelled something sharp and faintly sulfurous. Amazed, she regarded him for a moment.

“Yes,” she finally said, when the scent diminished, “but without Martin’s sacrifice, Dagon would have eventually taken Black Marsh, too, and made this world his sportground.”


I am quite impressed, but I was a little confused - Is Anna?g an Argonian? Glim mentions that they knew each other since they were hatchlings but I don't recall seeing any Argonians with curly brown hair. Or was he just referring to their childhood?
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Where did you find that, super best friend of the day?
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Where did you find that, super best friend of the day?

Oh, you know, Greg Keyes and I are pals. We're tight.



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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 12:41 am

I am quite impressed, but I was a little confused - Is Anna?g an Argonian? Glim mentions that they knew each other since they were hatchlings but I don't recall seeing any Argonians with curly brown hair. Or was he just referring to their childhood?


Annaig isn't Argonian. I think it only means they've known each other since childhood.

It's been speculated that the name Annaig is most likely Breton (because it is in our world also).

Thanks for this excerpt -- whoa, "Titus Mede" was the man who declared himself emperor, and his son is the Prince Attrebus we've been told of? Interesting. . . . Thanks again, Celestina.

(I still wonder if Attrebus and his father are Redguards. That would be an unexpected twist.)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:53 am

Excerpt? Is there a readable excerpt online or something?


It's on the http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780345508010&view=excerpt. I found it through the Infernal City article on UESP, though. I figured everyone had read it- I wasn't about to go through 55 pages to see. :P

But seriously, that Slowfall scene is win. :D
And the thing with the werecroc.

I like how it doesn't take itself too seriously, which is probably my biggest turn-off with fantasy novels: would you believe I've never finished Lord of the Rings, and only got through one chapter of Dune?
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