Hi all, I am of course as the Topic said new to the GECK and had a few questions. Ofcourse i'm sure they are addresed somewhere else but I searche for like 15 pages and found nothing. I'm currently still working on the tutorial and i am on Vista if that will help you.

1.When I launch FO3, and check the Data Files I don't see my file. All i see is the Fallout.esm file. I did save a file, and double checked it in the Fallout Folder in the c: drive.

2. Not really a question about the geck, but do any of you know why my Internet would have a inconsistent speed. Yesterday, I was able to rocket through pages of info, but today is a lot slower. Not even able to load the you tube tutorial. Which svcks, kinda of a visual person.

Thanks in advance for any replies

Help, anyone?

The GECK won't work if you're using Vista with User Access Control on and you've installed Fallout 3 to Program Files. Reinstall to C:\Games or something.

FTC, if you're on Vista disable UAC altogether and be done with it. You'll never have these problems again. Then reinstall FO3 to the default directory, reinstall the GECK and everything you need will be in the /data folder.

I have FO3 installed in program files/bethesda softworks/fallout 3 on Vista Ultimate 32. I disabled UAC 10 minutes after installing Vista and never looked back.

Okay, thanks i give it a try.

Not something I would recommend to anyone who is not a 'master' computer user and knows better how to protect their computer.

The protection is there to prevent virus and other malicious programs from changing your operating system files, and your installed program files. A major concern for XP machines who are now part of the XP Bot army. (Your computer can be controlled by the person who owns the 'link' to your computer and sold to the highest bidder for spamming or other attacks on the internet.)

Since the GECK is not part of the 'game files', it is seen as a virus/trojan or whatever, trying to access a folder it has no rights to.

Its best to install your game somewhere other than the program files, since if it gets blasted by a virus, its no loss, you just re-install.

Listen to willie, not these other chumps UAC is a good thing, One of the good things about Vista. I run I vista and I had this problem If you don't want to re-install your game then just click Compatibility files at the top of the window that pops up, below the menu bar itself though.

Quick Edit: Then Cut and paste the file into your data folder for whatever part of the tutorial your checking on. In other news, when your going to install a mod made by someone else, I found it best that I created a seperate folder in my Documents to extract the Mod into and labeled it "Fo3Mods" and just cut and pasted from that folder and put the mod folders into their corresponding folders. Hope that helps

Chumps eh.

UAC is extra protection but it is not necessary, please don't fall for the hype, any good firewall and antivirus prog will protect you well enough, at best UAC is a marketing ploy to the neurotic.

@Lucky-Vault13 Oh now I remember you. You're the guy who got all rangy on me because you asked a general question and when I suggested you be more specific you whined and cried foul. Yup, now I get where you're coming from. Punk.

BTW, I'm not telling anyone NOT to use UAC, that's obviously up to the individual, if you feel safer with it then use it, I've never used it myself always relying on my 3rd party firewall and antivirus, so far in 2 years they have not let me down.

Good grief.

Don't disable UAC, just set the permissions for that folder.

Right click the Fallout 3 Folder > Properties

Security at the top > Edit

Click the 'Users' section and check Full Control & Modify.

OK & OK.

I do not understand your urgency?

Because the majority of people don't have a good firewall, nor do they keep an up to date antivirus.

That makes sense, I just find the inconvenience of the UAC outweighs it's usefulness.

Exactly my point. Thank you JQ.

Those who cry 'turn off the UAC' do not realize that they are telling people that probably only know how to turn a computer on to remove the only protection they have on their computer. This is not a good idea people. Look around at the questions and you will soon realize that most people fall under the title of computer novice.

UAC is a marketing strategy not a necessity. You can disable it and you'll be fine.

Just because my opinion differs from yours it doesn't mean its wrong or bad advice, it just means it's different. If you want to tout the importance of UAC and the wonders of its effects on the average user then it might be time you signed up on the Microsoft message board and tried your sales pitch at the source. In the mean time, the OP had a problem and I'm going to bet because of UAC, it will be an ongoing problem. Second to that, a problem that will be felt throughout other facets of his experiences with his computer, not just this one fo3/geck issue.

One doesn't not need to be a 'master computer user' to get along without it - One does not need a 'good' firewall or anti virus to get along without it. I, and many others, lived without UAC from 98se, 2000 and XP and you're going to try and tell me that on Vista, my computer is at high risk because I've disabled it? ha. High risk of what? A program running that I don't want to run? An app wants to connect to the web? *sigh* Sure I suppose if I just downloaded anything and everything from the web, or randomly opened up attachments in my email or accepted spam instant messages etc etc. yes. But otherwise? No. It won't happen.

Where is all this paranoia coming from?

It's a fact that with it it enabled you'll have to deal with problems that will just compound from having to elevate programs to changing system settings etc - Just to run WITH UAC enabled. You're essentially never the admin of your own computer. This means that every time you try something that requires administration privileges, UAC intervenes and you have to deal. A prompt to get permission to get a prompt anyone?

In my opinion, with UAC enabled, you HAVE to learn to be a 'master computer user' because now you need 'work arounds'. You need to hunt online for reasons why your programs aren't working like they should. You'll find yourself posting, in forums like this one, asking questions like "When I launch FO3, and check the Data Files I don't see my file. All i see is the Fallout.esm file. I did save a file, and double checked it in the Fallout Folder in the c: drive. " .

It's just shame its all whining and finger pointing in here now and resolution of the problem has fallen by the wayside. I just hope the OP doesn't hold this against the community.

You're missing the point, but from your post it seems you'll never get it, so I'm not going to bother debating.

There was nothing to 'get' about your point.

Hes right about one thing, UAC is a marketing ploy based on the fears people have of being hacked, but as usual from Microsoft it is a convoluted security measure and any newcomer to computers will be lost, the method you have to go through every time you want to install third party software is more effort than the protection it gives is worth.

Ok, cuz this has gone WAY off topic, ima just suggest using Fallout Mod Manager, I needed it in order to use my mods cuz they wern't showing up in my data files tab on my FO3 launcher.

Do you work in the 'computer security' industry? Do any of your 'sources' work in the computer security industry?
Perhaps your facts are not facts, but speculation. For the most part, virus, trojans, hackers try to infect, control unprotected computers. The XP is a notorious bot machine. From your comments, I dont think you even know what that is.

The security measures went overboard on Vista because it was so lame on XP.

But this is all my opinion, since I 'have' to work closely with computer security. I work in the financial industry processing bank cards. We are attacked over 10,000 times a day. Yes, thats ten thousand. I know whats out there and its not a nice world. Your unprotected computer is a money maker for hackers who make big bucks by selling the use of 'your' computer to other parties for usually illegal activities which 'you' are responsible for. You take lightly a serious situation and propose that others do the same.

The point is, just install the game outside the protected folder. That is the easiest solution. Only install programs in the protected folders when you 'want' it protected. I had hoped that Bethesda would stop default installing the game to a protected folder, a lesson learned from Oblivion. It would have solved all these problems people are having.

*yawn* Quit perpetuating the paranoia.

As soon as you quit perpetuating rosey colored glasses.

You were comparing apples to oranges. Your whole point was only meant as a scare tactic and is therefore moot in this instance.