I'd rather see obsidian do something with the Neverwinter Nights series than mess around with the elderscrolls.

Fallout New Vegas was something they were familiar with since many of the people there were involved with the original series. I liked what they did, but Bethesda should handle any elder scrolls game themselves.

Obsidian should work on Bethesdas other side projects, like a new Cithlu game or Doom 4

I feel the opposite. Since Morrowind, the games and stories they've made lend themselves better to the action-adventure genre, not role playing. They should hand off the RPG to another studio (or end it!), then pick up the story of Cyrus with Eye of Argonia. At least do this for a couple games. Try other heroes from Tamriel's history.

no, just no.

heres an idea why doesnt obsidian make their own ips instead of making spin-offs of other devs series? Obsidian shows they have great ideas they just need better gameplay designers, alpha protocal proves this.

Doom 4 or a new Cithlu game wouldn't be spinoffs

Do Bethesda own the Cthulhu license?

I'd think with the Mountains of Madness due next year abouts, some EA developer would buy the license, and cash in on the audience.

I'd rather they just buy out Obsidian, install new management/QA (while still giving current management creative control), and hand over Fallout to them completely. Fallout 3 was Oblivion with guns in almost every respect. The storyline was absolute balls, and the main quest was completely linear. You could skip part of it but only if you metagamed and knew exactly which parking garage to go to. Nothing you did really mattered in the end and for most quests there was only one or two ways to approach anything, and even then the reward was usually the same. Not to mention the fact that the game world felt more like Disneyland than a real place where people could live. New Vegas was just superior in every way that mattered: writing, world design, quest design, equipment variety, skill utility, etc. It was Fallout, damn it. Also, I'm very disappointed in the number of people here who state unequivocally that turn-based combat svcks. You people are why they're doing horrible necrophiliac things to X-COM.

That said I think Bethesda really should hold on to TES. Many of the people who've worked on the series since the beginning are still there, and it wouldn't be the same without Kirkbride and such doing the writing. I have high hopes for Skyrim, as it looks to be delivering all the things that are important to the series: exploration, lore, atmosphere, beautiful art design, spectacle, etc. Like Howard says in the interview, New Vegas worked because Obsidian not only had experience with the IP, they had the plot and design document of Van Buren (the Fallout 3 that almost was) sitting around and were able to adapt it to the new engine. I don't think they'd be able to do TES in the same way.

thats beside my point. i wouldnt want to see obsidian do those games tho which was why i said no. my point is tho that they should work on somthing original for once or make a new ip.

Look where you are. :rolleyes:

By the way, FPS svcks! :vaultboy:

Point.

I don't think you actually played New Vegas all that much if thats honestly what you think about the game. Sure, a lot of quests were in fact tied into the main story of the game... but there were also dozens and dozens of side quests that had nothing to do with it (there was also gambling, crafting, snowglobe/Sunset cap collecting). In fact, there were probably more side quests in New Vegas that were un-related to the main story, then in Oblivion. New Vegas was no more linear (in fact, its main story was far less linear) then Morrowind/Oblivion. It just had much larger, and more dynamic main story that took up more of the game world.... that does not make it any more linear though.

Either way, just because Obsidian did something with one game... does not mean they will do the same thing with another game. In the unlikely event they were given a TES game to develop, I'm sure they would keep it far more in line with Bethesda's TES games. The well kept secret that no one on this forum wants to hear is that, aside from the game itself (the technical side) there is really nothing super amazing about the TES games that couldn't fairly easily be done by another developer. The stories are generally weak, the quests get repetitive, and the worlds (while usually graphically nice) are not the best designed/developed worlds in the gaming industry. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the TES games... but given the engine and art assets to work with, most competent developers could put together just as good of game, if not better.

The REAL problem with Obsidian is that are incapable of making a game thats not horribly broken. For that reason alone I wouldn't want them developing a TES game... or another Fallout game for that matter.

Not sure if serious or just stupid...

I would have been against it, but it depends on how skyrim turns out. I have a feeling if Beth would have made NV, it would have been even more linear than Fallout 3 was.

If it turns out anything like New Vegas, then HEEEELLLLS NO!

I have to discard that interview on account of all the spelling and grammer errors.. really..its an interview spell stuff right I found four mess ups and I know what your thinking so what they messed up.. If they messed up on a professional article that many times.. how accurate is their info

You ignore a crucial point - Bethesda set out to create their own game rather than living in the shadow of Black Isle. New Vegas was a better sequel because it wanted to be a better sequel. Fallout 3 was much better in the expertise of Bethesda - the open world. I never had the pleasure of playing the originals, and as a standalone game, Fallout 3 was amazing, and quite honestly, better than New Vegas. I think that is the problem with old-school gamers. You cannot judge a game by its own standards. Instead, you compare it with games that you already hold in high esteem, which is quite a tall order. To be frank, i feel sorry for you that you could not enjoy Fallout 3 - to me and many others, it was indeed something special. Also, what is wrong with praising these games if we have only been around since Oblivion. Why are you allowed to praise the orignal Fallout games, but if we do it with others, it is 'mind-boggling'. I am sure in 15 years time, we will still remember Oblivion and Fallout 3 as much as you do with the original Fallout - I of course assume you loved those games and have been a gamer for a while, judging from your post.

I'm pretty surprised the amount of people saying Fallout 3 is better than NV. People are entitled to their opinion obviously but for me personally I couldn't go back to Fallout 3 after New Vegas, just felt like it did so much more right compared to Fallout 3 which is why I would be very happy if Obsidian got to create Fallout 4. TES should be kept to Bethesda though, they know it best.

Ill give you three reasons why TES must stay in Bethesda. KOTOR 2, Alpha Protocol, and New Vegas. Ill have trouble buying another game from Obsidian after those. Ill just stick to drinking Obsidian Stout :foodndrink:

The first thing that came to my mind was no. Id rather never have a new Elder Scrolls than playing one made by Obsidian. New Vegas left a big scar in my mind

Honestly, I'd rather Obsidian stick to spin offs. Fallout 4 and TES 6 need to be done by Beth.

yes plz

anything that gives me more ES is GOOD

As long as there was sufficient oversight from Bethesda then I'd love this to happen. Perhaps people would be more agreeable to this idea if such a game wasn't based in a thus far unseen area and instead was a return to morrowind or high rock or something.

Huh weird. I never played FO1 or 2, and yet I thought FO:NV was a vast improvement over 3. I ran out of stuff to do in FO3 pretty quickly, and the quests weren't anything special. The only Beth game I've put less than 100 hours into. Don't know what I'm comparing New Vegas to; maybe I'm comparing it to Fallout 3. Maybe you played it initially when there were still a ton of bugs, who knows. It's pretty well patched nowadays. I rarely felt like anything I did mattered in FO3 until the very last choice(Which was made obvious...mass genocide or saviour to mankind). The faction interplay and reputation system in FO:NV gave consequences to nearly everything. Hell I was pretty conflicted on who to support, given it isn't all clear cut good vs evil like FO3. You know, like real life.

Lots of opinions being thrown back and forth here, assumptions of general consensus, and basic differences in which Fallout was generally better. Here's my own general consensus based purely on this thread: Obsidian should not do TES: VI. The question is, what should they do? A lot seem to assume that spin-offs are automatically not canon, but NV is more canon than F3 simply due to the fact actual devs from the originals are working on it.

At least there's an agreement that Obsidian handles the stories better. Even if you liked the world of F3, you must admit that the overall story was rather cheapened. Whether it was as linear as some say, I'm not quite sure what they're getting at. It's a main quest. In a game that's all ready fully open, do you expect it to be a multibranching story?

Anyways, back to the question. Do the developers at Obsidian really want to make something that will automatically be deemed inferior to the main games simply because it's a spin-off? NV was not in this category because, for all intents in purposes, it was a remix of F3. In the end, you really have to ask yourselves what you really like about these games. Whilst we all wish we could have a mish-mash of the best elements, there's always something lost in translation and parts will suffer for it. I would be behind Obsidian giving us a fully fledged Elder Scrolls game to actually redeem it in terms of writing if for nothing else.

From a skyrim general discussion that will be full of die hard TES fans.



Put this in community discussion instead.