Hello everyone, its ELLO again! This is a new topic on the rating of Skyrim and how it has a super big chance of being a PEGI 18 and a M. Do you agree with this? Disagree? Want/not want TES to go down this path? If so/If not, why? Personally, I don't really mind... as long as TES is TES! AGAIN, please don't start getting angry at eachother and make rude comments! The last one I made became locked! (I apologise to the moderators for not reporting it to them! ) Anyway yeah, BE NICE KIDS! We all have our own opinion on this matter!

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Good grief. This thread is way out of it as far as our rules go. Name calling, flaming...I only noticed it because smoke was billowing out of it. I can't believe none of you reported this mess. Looks like I have a long evening of writing up warnings, suspensions and reports.

My good mood just went bad.

So guys and gals, please don't make my good mood go bad and everyone will be happy - OK?

It doesn't really matter, does it?

I will be playing either way, but if an "M" rating suits the game then so be it. Skyrim seems to have a pretty dark setting so naturally there are some dark things going on.

Don't most of Bethesda's games get an M rating? Oblivion and Fallout 3 got that rating so this probably will as well since the level of violence in the game seems to be about the same.

Just checked the box: Oblivion is rated 16+, but FO3 is rated 18+.

Off course these are EU ratings outside the UK, so they might be different from country to country.

This isn't new, dewd. Oblivion was M as well. But, I do know some under-aged gamers that will be sad about Skyrim's rating. Then again, people like that usually get the game anyway.

Old and useless topic is old and useless... no offense.

They've said that they just don't care about ratings.

Nothing will be changed because of this, and nothing should be changed.

This.

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Right. They'll make the game how they want to make the game. The rating will fall out from there. :shrug:

Oblivion was designed as a T game and got the M in the US because of a mod. Honestly....I just want the damn game already.

And because, when they actually spent more time playing it, they found the Dark Brotherhood quests to be nastier content than they thought.

I dont care about ratings either.
I think the whole rating system is a bit of a wrong concept. It places responsibility with the developer/ seller while the actual responsibility should lie with the consumer.
Im not a fan of censorship in any way and I think that parenting involves making decisions for yourself, not going by some arbitrary (because their morals might differ from yours) rating system that supposedly tells what is appropriate for what age.
(Nevermind that that completely depends on what kind of parents you are, and what type of kid you have. When I was eight there were classmates not allowed to watch the smurfs, because gargamel gave them nightmares.)

That being said, ratings are there and no doubt there to stay. Its just a shame that gaming stores bow to outside censorship to dictate what they stock or not.

Meanwhile Im halfway through my thirties and will be able to get the game no matter what, so it really doesnt affect me.
I want Bethesda to make the best game they can, and not worry about having to disneyfy stuff.
Let other people slap a silly rating on there if they wish, I dont think this should affect design decisions.

You dont slap a rating on a painting or a book either.

M rating is good. It gives BGS more creative freedom and hopefully means that we'll be able to see some darker themes such as trafficking and drugs explored in oppressed and poor areas.

As long as the game is mature and not just graphic the rating can only benefit development. I won't be eighteen by the time Skyrim goes on sale, but if it is an 18 rated game my parents know me well enough and trust me enough to know that I won't go on a killing spree because of a mild six scene. Most parents are the same as far as I am aware and will buy games that their children cannot if they judge that their child is mature enough to play it. Besides, there's always Amazon for teenagers with uncooperative folks.

No one loses out!

I've still so new to this forum! Don't know the rules! I'll make sure it does'nt happen again :goodjob:

Being M rated I think is almost required for an accurate, immersive, medieval fantasy game. It has to be brutal, have mature themes and be true to source material.

Doesn't matter.

Games are an art form and therefore should be whatever the creator decides.

If they want to target little kids with an E rating and have rainbows spew out of enemies azzez when they die, I'm all for it.

Just so long as it's a good game. :thumbsup:

Don't worry, I'm sure it will be 18+

After all I want my barbarians to look bloody and bashed up after a huge fight, not squeaky clean like in Oblivion or Morrowind

And you honestly don't think that having the creative freedom to explore dark themes by embracing the M rating isn't going to subjectively improve the game by making it closer to what people want?

There are expectations of what the game will be. If Skyrim turns out to actually be the next Thief in all but name it might be an amazing game objectively but not subjectively - it won't be what people want.

I don't really expect the game to deserve the "M" rating any more than Diablo does.

It doesn't really need to either. Oblivion was fine as a "T" rated game, until you factor the player into it.
I don't think the series needs it, or needs to feel obligated to justify it.

Age rating shouldn't come into the equation when making a game. It is what it is.
Unless they had a specific target audience in mind which is what Wii game developers do. It's obvious that by the complexity of the games and the mature themes it is aimed at older gamers. I'm glad they haven't toned down the game to reach a wider audience, they would just end up sacrificing the game experience.

By older I don't mean old.

Its not toned down from Morrowind?

Meh, i don't care about ratings.

No developer is going to let the potential rating change how they make the game. There might have been a Bioshock movie, but the director couldn't get enough money because the movie studio wanted it to be PG-13. He knew that in order to make the movie how it should be made, the movie would need to be rated R. So the movie was never made.

Lots of people DO want another Thief game. Just because it's not what YOU want doesn't mean it's not what PEOPLE want



Didn't Oblivion have a quest where someone kept their mothers head around and talked to it?


Personally, I think they should just make it how they want it. If they try to shoehorn content into a grouping artificially it won't be as good of a game

That of course depends on which rating system you use. The ESRB rating for Oblivion is also M. So an M rating is hardly anything new to the Elder Scrolls. Although Oblivion was rated T upon release, with the rating being changed later on due to reasons I don't want to debate again, though this MAY indicate that Skyrim's mature content is stronger than Oblivions, and therefore was harder to miss, or it may just be that ESRB examined Skyrim more closely to avoid repeating the situation with Oblivion, as I'd imagine needing to change a game's rating is something they'd prefer to avoid. Honestly, though, I'd say Oblivion only barely deserved its M rating, I wouldn't go as far as to say it should have stayed rated T, but it's definitely pretty tame as far as M rated games go, no strong language, and fairly tame in terms of sixual content, now there's some blood, but it fades pretty quickly, and the only gore the game has is in the environment and looks pretty fake even by the standards of other 2006 games, cut down on the severed heads on poles and hanging partially decomposed corpses, and I'm sure the game could have kept its T rating.

But anyway, the M rating in itself doesn't mean much to me. The ESRB rating is not an indication of quality, just of what age range ESRB deems the game appropriate for, and the same is true for all age rating systems. Though it is true that I was sort of hoping Skyrim would be rated M, not because the M rating in itself means anything, but rather because some things I want from Skyrim would naturally earn it that rating, but the M rating doesn't automatically mean the game has everything I want from it. So I'll judge if I'm satisfied with it only after I've seen what we got. If it's rated M because there happens to be one topless woman in the game, but the rest of the game would not warrant anything higher than a T rating, I can't say that would be what I want.



Of course, it's also possible to want another Thief game, but not want Skyrim to be it. Some people might want the next Thief game to be called Thief, not the Elder Scrolls.