Microsoft had heavy marketing for the Kinect, whereas Sony only had one commercial for the Move. It's their own fault that it's doing poorly.

Nintendo isn't responsible for any of the cooking games on Wii. You can thank many of the publishers behind Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed, etc. for that.

Besides, I'd hardly consider much of what Nintendo has done "kiddie crap." Metroid Prime, Metroid: Other M, Xenoblade, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Sin & Punishment: Star Successor, Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (the darkest Zelda since Majora's Mask), Mario Galaxy. A game doesn't need a surplus of guns and blood to appeal to an older audience.

Xenoblade and The Last Story were confirmed for the US?...

Not that I know of, but I'd heard rumors of The Last Story seeing a PAL release. I don't remember it being a particularly trustworthy source but I'll see if I can dig it up.

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why would they?
the will is so far behind in what it can do at this point..
the titles they liscense is the only thing they have as far as console gaming goes.. and most of that is like 5th instalment re-hash.

Nintendo releasing a console would have to be something big, because most people already have PS3's or 360's some witht he slim editions, just picking uop kinect.
Nintendo has a lot of prove as to why people should buy their console.

I don't hear about either because I don't follow casual gaming news.

:shrug: I don't follow news on a console I don't own

Also must be making money on that Log Jamming game..

I say good. Get them on their toes. Nothing like a little serious competition to knock everyone out of their complacency.

I never understand people when they say such blatantly false stuff like this. The NES was more powerful then the Atari. the SNES was more powerful then anything else on the market(unless you spent a good chunk of money for the ugprade chip for the Genesis). The N64 fell behind because they weren't willing to make the switch to CDs, but it was still damn close to the PS1 in terms of graphics. The gamecube is more powerful then the PS2 and original Xbox. Only the Wii has been behind in terms of graphics. Look at handhelds: Nintendo has led the way in terms of graphics since the beginning. I'll admit, it looks like the PSP2 is going to win this generation, but at the 3ds is still a very interesting system.

On another note: How the hell do they plan on making a touch screen work as a console? Will the controller have a mini screen that mirrors the TV? If so, that doesn't sound all that fun to be honest, it's going to take away from looking at the TV screen itself if you have to stare down at the controller to make stuff move. Bleh.

I find loyalty to companies to be stupid. Just do what I do and buy them all! :hehe:

I didn't really care for the Wii because the motion controls was so terrible, but I think the "Stream" could improve a lot of things that Wii was weak on, and then Sony will come around and improve it even more. (anolog stick, motion controls, 3D?)

Nothing new to nintendo...Gamecube had a few games that used a GBA as a controller looks like they will just add a touchscreen to that usefulness.

I imagine it'll be up to developers, just like the DS's bottom screen. Things like inventory management, certain types of swipes (that wouldn't necessarily require you to look down) or even something like Okamiden, where gameplay pauses and video shifts to the touchscreen for input.

See, that's why I just can't bring myself to believe that particular rumor will hold water. Like people have said, it would be jarring both to the pocketbook and to play on. Besides, there's plenty of conflicting reports on other aspects of the system, so this one could be a complete fabrication for all we know.

(Personally, what I'd like to see is the fusion of the Wiimote to a regular controller - possibly using a dock feature - so that your wireless controller still has the gyro and pointer capabilities, but still has all the goodies like dual anolog.)

I don't really think they have to keep up technology-wise, as long as people keep buying it. They have sold 86 million consoles while the PS3 has sold 50 million and the 360 has sold 50 million. They are dominating the market.

Casual gamers are the way of the future.

That's partly true. It's more that we're seeing a spectrum of offerings, from consoles to PCs to phones, that's offering more types of games to a broader range of clientele. The casual gamers can be every bit as serious about their games as 'we' are, and they know what they want for their games. The Wii fit with their desires thanks to its interactivity... So it's quite possible that Nintendo will aim for something along these lines still. And if they do, it's not at all to the detriment of hardcoe gamers.

You are absolutely right. If you ask me, it is smart of them to aim for the casual gamers desires. It is a wider audience and will bring in a lot more income. Almost anyone I ask has a Wii, it has become some what like a status quo.
Before long I think that just about every developer is going to start following what Nintendo is doing.

Edit: I am not saying that good games will become a thing of the past, Nintendo will still provide great games like Zelda, Mario, Donkey Kong etc.

Well, as long as the Touch Screen isn't to terribly involved(ie: doesn't require you to look away from the TV screen), it might be somewhat interesting. I do hope what someone else is true, and that it's going to be more powerful then the PS3 and 360. Last rumor I heard about Sony/Microsoft is sony had no plans for a new console till 2014, and Microsoft was around the same time, so Nintendo will at least have 2 years as king of the market in terms of graphical capabilities before Sony and Microsoft comes along and destroys them.



I'll agree with this: I used to be a hardcoe Nintendo Fan Boy myself, but then I realized how badly I was constricting myself in terms of games, and decided to give the playstation a shot: Lo and behold, I loved it. Then Microsoft came around and I refused to try the original xbox, which really wasn't to much of a loss, but then the 360 came out and a lot of good games were released, so I gave them a shot and again I was quite happy I did so.

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If you're just going by overall graphics power:

SMS > NES
SNES > SMD
N64 > PSX
XBOX > GC > PS2

And for handhelds the GameGear had way better graphics than the GameBoy, with a color screen and a backlight. Just goes to show you, third parties are everything for gaming hardware.

So yeah, Nintendo has usually been ahead, but in this generation the gap is significant.

Not really sure I would compare GameGear to the Gameboy. GameGear came out what, 2 years after the Gameboy? I think a more appropriate comparison would be Gameboy Color to the GameGear. I could be wrong though, and I can't check myself, Google is refusing to load atm ><

Also, I guess technically, wouldn't the 3dO(I think thats the name) be far ahead of...the N64? Or was it around the SNES time? It just literally had no support whatsoever.

Nah, GameBoy Color was way later.

GameBoy: 1989
GameGear: 1990
GameBoy Color: 1998

You probably thinking neogeo because 3DO always looked like [censored]

Neogeo doesn't do 3D though.

Quite likely ^^ I just remember there was this one point in time that several companies tried to break into the Console market, but none of the systems thrived because they just couldn't find the third party support.

Also, thank you Nami. Wow, I didn't realize their was such a massive gap in between regular Gameboy and Gameboy Color time-wise. Hmm, I wonder why they waited so long considering the GameGear. I mean, with only one year separating them, the GameGear was the obvious choice(I owned one myself, Roadrash and Sonic and Jeopardy FTW).

Because, Nintendo had the games library to be able to sit on its haunches. I can attest to that - I had a Gameboy and my sister had a Game Gear. And yes, I'd occasionally borrow hers to play Sonic, Earthworm Joe and Sonic Spinball, but she borrowed mine far more often because I had Donkey Kong Land, Kirby's Dreamland, Super Mario Land, Tetris, Qix, etc etc.

Ah, fond memories...