"Recently a friend of mine bought oblivion, so I decided to reinstall to refresh my memory. My goal is to make the game as stable as possible so I could arrange his likewise. When I started the game and exited it crash. At first I didn't realize it because I had WeOCPS, so I started again without Obse. So I went through my load ordercarefully disabling esp's. It came down to xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp. when I disabled it I get like a 30s hang on the exit but no crash. When I disabled everything else and ran the game with Beaches Of Cyrodiil LostCoast it was fine(no 30s hang or crash). End result, I need to pick someones brain. Thanks everyone for help. "

Fixed "MMM missing meshes (MMM 3.7b3 BSA installed and rename it FCOM_Convergence_Mart'sMonsterMod.bsa) and crash on exit use (Fast Exit 2)"

New Q: 213/255 mods running, do I need to start merging them? and am I missing any compatibility patches?

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Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]21  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.7]22  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.7]23  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version 0.9.6]24  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp25  MIS.esp26  MIS Low Wind.esp27  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp28  Atmospheric Oblivion.esp29  Soundscaper.esp2A  Storms & Sound.esp2B  Rainbows.esp2C  Cities Alive At Night.esp2D  WindowLightingSystem.esp2E  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp2F  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp**  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp30  diversegrasses.esp++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.71]31  P1DlookHereYou.esp32  Living Economy - Items.esp33  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.3.4]34  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.02]35  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3]36  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]37  DLCHorseArmor.esp38  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]39  DLCOrrery.esp3A  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]3B  DLCVileLair.esp3C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp3D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3E  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]**  Book Jackets DLC.esp++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp++  ArtifactsFemaleArmor.esp++  Darkgreen Glass Armour.esp3F  Thieves Arsenal.esp**  Armamentium female.esp40  AncientTowers.esp41  DLCThievesDen.esp42  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]43  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]44  Slof's Oblivion Robe Trader.esp45  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.69]46  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]**  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]47  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]48  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp49  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  Loth's Blunt Weapons for Npcs.esp4B  FCOM_LothsBluntWeapons.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp4D  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]4E  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34Beta]4F  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]50  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]51  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]52  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]53  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3]54  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3]55  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp57  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]++  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.40Alpha]58  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]59  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.39c]5A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]**  TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp5B  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp5D  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5F  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]60  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]++  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4FCOM.esp61  Artifacts.esp++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]62  Dungeo Forgotten Tower.esp63  Dungeo Forgotten Tower Reduced Spawns.esp64  Heroes of Cyrodiil.esp65  Heroes of Cyrodiil Part 2.esp66  Heroes of Cyrodiil Part 3.esp67  Heroes of Cyrodiil Part 4.esp68  Heroes of Cyrodiil Part 5.esp69  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp6A  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp6B  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5]6C  Mimics!.esp6D  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.0.3]6E  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp6F  Windfall.esp70  DLCFrostcrag.esp71  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]72  Knights.esp73  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]++  EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp74  Cybiades.esp  [Version 2.1]75  CybiadesDungeon.esp  [Version 2.1]76  The Lost Spires.esp77  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp78  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]79  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]7A  FCOM_SlofsRobeTrader.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7B  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp7C  ElsweyrAnequina.esp7D  Reaper's Esmeralda's Desert Manor.esp7E  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.5.2]7F  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.3]80  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp81  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2]82  xulTheHeath.esp83  XulEntiusGorge.esp84  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]85  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]86  Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp87  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp88  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]89  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.2]8A  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp8B  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]8C  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]8D  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.1]8E  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]8F  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.1]90  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]91  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]92  xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp  [Version 1.3.2]93  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp94  xulPantherRiver.esp95  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.1]96  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]97  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]98  xulBlackwoodForest.esp99  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0]9A  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]9B  Castle_Seaview.esp9C  CastleSeaview+LostCoast Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]9D  OCC-OOO-Patch.esp  [Version 2.2]9E  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]9F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A0  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]A1  EVE_ShiveringIslesEasterEggs.esp++  more books teach.espA2  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]++  ShinySeptims_Septimus.esp++  ShinySeptims_Trajanus.espA3  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].espA4  Silgrad_Tower_T.espA5  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.espA6  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.espA7  Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp  [Version 3.1.1]A8  CLS-Craftybits.espA9  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.espAA  StarX Vanilla Vampires Revised.espAB  StarX VVR_OOO Patch.espAC  DS Summon Luggage.espAD  TeachSpell.espAE  RefScope.esp  [Version 1.2.0]AF  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]B0  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]B1  MidasSpells.esp++  Mart's Monster Mod - Midas Creature Ingredients.espB2  Essence Extracter.espB3  RenGuardOverhaul.espB4  RenGuardOverhaulShiveringIsles.esp++  Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp  [Version 0.71]B5  Tiamat the Firedrake.espB6  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]B7  TamrielTravellers Cosmetics Cobl or RBP.espB8  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]B9  bgMagicBonus.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BA  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]BB  bgMagicAlchemy.esp  [Version 1.57]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]BC  bgBalancingEVLAMEAddition.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVLAMEGlue.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D1.62EV]**  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]BD  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]BE  OC+Integration Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]BF  EVE_KhajiitFix.espC0  Better Cities - Full City Defences.espC1  Better Cities Full.espC2  BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.espC3  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.espC4  BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.espC5  Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.espC6  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp**  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]C7  bgMagicLightningbolt.espC8  DS Flaming Arrows.esp  [Version 1.1]C9  [Hexaae] Get Wet v0.92.esp++  Real Lava 1.3.espCA  Shining Flame Atronachs.espCB  Shining Flame Atronachs_ElementalSummonAmulets.espCC  Shining Flame Atronachs_Friendly Fire.esp  [Version 2.02]CD  Shining Flame Atronachs_DLCFrostcrag.espCE  Scathe.esp  [Version 0.1]CF  Vacuity.esp  [Version 0.2]D0  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 0.9.9]D1  Bashed Patch, 0.espD2  MergedMaps.espD3  FormID Finder4.espD4  Oblivion Achievements Core with Rewards.esp

It has been said: "If oblivion DOESN'T crash on exit, you aren't using enough mods."

Fairly standard behavior, since you use OBSE, get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22410. It will solve that problem for you.

That's most likely true, but this is from the start menu not exiting from in game. If there's a difference...

Well... Fast Exit 2 would probably fix it from the main menu too. But it is unusual to see Oblivion crashing from the main menu quit button even if you haven't played a game at all, and might be a sign of problems. I have no clue what kind of problem though.

Lot's of people will tell you to use Fast Exit or some such.
That's fine, but your crash on exit is probably due to unclean mods (dirty edits, deleted records, etc.).
Find the "How to Clean Mods" thread and clen your mods.
You need not worry about the FCOM mods, but I know that at least OWC, Bob's, and Frans need cleaning (assuming of course, you haven't).
I suspect the UL mods will be ok as well. And anything by Arthmoor.
And last, you can get rid of the TNR mod. Use the Bash tweak instead as it incorporates the TNR changes without the mod.

Crash on exit is fairly common, and I don't think most people consider it a serious issue... What I mean is, the only problem crash on exit causes is crash on exit, and there are mods that fix it. Fast exit 2 in particular.

Also LAME and RBP without Integration? Heresy, I say, Heresy!

Also I might be wrong about this but I think the bgconjuration compatibility thing under SM might not be doing anything... it just looks off: SM, then a plugin from LAME, then LAME itself... I think the conjuration thing is only for if you're loading SM after LAME, not sure though.

Also RBP includes NPC diversity plugin that does everything TNR does with the addition of new hairs/eyes too.

FYI - Crashing on exit will not save the Oblivion.ini file. If you made any changes, played, then crash on exit; your changes don't get saved.

That's why I decided it was a problem. Mod are like ice cream for oblivion, hence a brain freeze.

I'm Well aware that WarCry appears on http://cs.elderscrolls.com/constwiki/index.php/TES4Edit_Cleaning_Guide page as a mod that needs cleaned, but this is very misleading information and IMO should be altered.
The 32 "Identical to Master" records that TES4Edit shows are simply duplicates of vanilla items and completely harmless.
Nothing shows at all when you run "Undelete and Disable References". .
As with Francesco's mod, Oblivion WarCry is an overhaul mod and as such the alterations are deliberate and neither should be cleaned.
There's nothing game breaking in either of the mods.

Okay I discovered what causing the 30s hang. Its MMM . here is what I had active. Penny for your thoughts?

don't mind the (00, 06, and so on)

Active Mod Files:
00 Oblivion.esm
06 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.7b3p3]
08 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
09 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0A Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.2.0]
35 Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp [Version 3.7b3]<<<---here's the culprit, but what now?(besides deactivating it)

Just to note that I (pre-FE2) used to get crashes on exiting whether it be from in game or from a menu, and that I considered it normal behaviour, and saw no side effects.

It will if you use Fast Exit 2 . . .

Ok, mmm is messed up, looking through the Fcom 300 test. I installed mmm b3 by downloading bsa and the latest esp, separate. is there a complete installer now or package?

You can use TheNiceOne's http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=995334. That thread also has links and instructions to make sure you have the most recent versions.

If using Warcry by itself, the dirty edits should be removed as there isn't anything else that requires them. Though it may not make sense, it has been demonstrated over plenty of crash reports that cleaning mods of dirty edits improves game stability. It won't have an impact on performance, but stability is just as important.

A notation would be warranted though to not mess with those dirty edits in an FCOM setup if those edits are intended to survive alteration by one of the other FCOM components.



This isn't a problem. The 30 second hang you talk about is normal. That time lag will only grow the more mods you add to the game. It won't matter if they're all squeaky clean and undeleted either. Fast Exit 2 serves more than just avoiding the crash at exit. It terminates the game gracefully, the way Fallout 3 does on its own.

MMM is still giving me trouble. Missing meshs and the like. Would package order have any effect since mmm is packaged in a BSA?

Did you rename the BSA as per install instructions?

gothemasticator

It doesn't matter. Oblivion will hang or crash on exit even with no mods installed, and it doesn't matter what menu you do it from. Using mods just makes the problem worse.

Did you rename the BSA as per install instructions? Ummm no... Were? to mart's monster mod.bsa?

I must be missing something very simple.

Read especially the second post of the official http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=1071403 thread.

gothemasticator

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Ha here it is, Thank you! "You must have the MMM 3.7b3 BSA installed and rename it FCOM_Convergence_Mart'sMonsterMod.bsa in order for meshes, textures and sounds to work with FCOM properly.
There are other methods for BSA loading - see FCOM site." This is not on http://devnull.sweetdanger.net/convergence.html. or http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=995334 Thats why i missed it.

Yes, the install guides are in the process of being updated. In the meantime, the official thread is the best place for up-to-date info as well as help.

gothemasticator

bump, look at the first post for details.