So today i was playing fallout on my laptop (fighting the master) at school when two of my collegues approched me and asked if the game was cool.I said it was awesome but that they most likely wouldnt like it.
When the menu came up one of em was like "wht the hell iz thuz?" then when my saved game loaded the other said "Look at the graphicz so bad all [censored] up!" then when i iniciated my conversation the first said "ha ha ha look at the way he speakez!" (i was getting gradualy more mad and even changing color) i replied the [censored] where you waiting the originals are as old as you!" they got quiet.
After two attacks of the master and his super mutants minions my health dropped to 16 and the second said "damn your nearly dead" to which i replied "yeah old games used to be much more chalenging then the ones made today" then the bell rang and they lost interest i didnt finish my fight but i did left with a new way of thinking about those guys and a diffrent(more respectfull) view of old stuff in general(bassicaly i realized that old stuff still hold potential and seeing they are still talked and used reveals how they can resist time and continue to hold relevance).

All-in-All,no matter what time

PS:Sorry for swearing and stupid topic name what i meant was "new player players" or "new gamers"

Some gamers are simply spoiled by pretty games.
Something I really dislike is people that haven't had any attraction to gaming what so ever suddenly decides to start gaming simply because now it's, ahem, "cool". (Yknow, cause of the action and the graphics and the multiplayer hardcoe(Pfft, hah!) gaming scene.)
And whenever a, and I dislike to use this term as well, "true gamer" shows up to correct them about stuff they retort with immaturity of the highest degree.
Just avoid people like that, newgamers aren't really gamers IMO, they're just invading our scene cause now it's appealing to them because of the graphics and "cool stuff".
All we can hope for is that gaming stops being "cool" so we can have our own scene back.

We're all going to turn into hipsters if gaming "coolness" continues.

Damn gabriel your too right. People just look for explosions, guns and graphics to pass the time not deep thinking, good story, and dig-in-to-find-whats-good-about-it games

@The Lobotomite yeah kinda sad but its reality.

Now just so no one gets the wrong idea, I don't mean to generalize that as "all" newgamers.
I meant that "some" newgamers are like that, but that "some" is quite a lot.
Also, my description was not targeting anyone on these forums.

I'm also not saying that the newgamers should piss off and that they have no right playing games.
I'm just stating my sadness that the developers mostly lean towards newgamers and that us, ugh... "True gamers" barely ever get any really great games.
I wish both types could get a fair amount of games each, but sadly, it's newgamers, casuals, multiplayer obsessives and immersion gamers that they cater to.
Again, not saying that you have no right playing games, just saying I'm sad that I barely ever get any good games to play. And the ones I do have tons of compromises in them.

Still, I do dislike it when people of age 18+ who never liked gaming before suddenly starts gaming cause now "it looks cool".

Sounds like you might be a Dinosaur in the making

Sad to say the bulk of games today are made for casual gamers. They only care about the latest graphics and things that go boom!. They don't want their characters to get killed and they don't want to lose their items. In short they don't want to think.

So older games like Fallout aren't really for them. But don't give up on them. Even if you manage to get one of them to try it, it will be a victory for the thinking mans game.

Pretty much yeah but for me as long as they are relatively respectfull and dont base opinions on the first thing they see its fine with me. All though what i wish would happen more is rpgs that arent fantasy like the elder scrolls, not saying its bad just saying that its kinda lame to me.

I love the originals! but i must admit if had found them a few years before(10 and before) i wouldnt give a [censored] about them and just kept stiking c4s in random pedestrians and roubing cars in gta sa

Well you don't need to have been playing the orginals back when they came out to be a Dinosaur.

Really? i thought to be a dino you had to play the originals in the 90s hence the title dinosaurs

BTW to get in bethesda's dino club do you have to properly join or is it sth that peope put it on their signatures?

Dinosaurs are just people who played the originals and want the new ones to be more like them.

Should probably ask Smert about what the joining requirement is.
But I think it's like this that if you love the older games and prefer their design over the new ones or at the very least think that Fallout should return to it's roots and be more like the originals rather than a TES clone then you're a Dinosaur.
I could be wrong though.

It's unfortunate that most games are made for casual gamers, but it's only expected when the majority of "gamers" today are casual gamers. I'm the only person in my school that is really a "true gamer" everyone else sticks to Call of Duty and maybe BF3, but nothing outside of action/shooting games. "Thatz wut gamez r 4" is what they tell me when I ask them if it gets boring just shooting everything they see over and over again (CoD) "But MW3 has the best graphics ever" is another common argument.


I managed to get one of my friends to try New Vegas, he gave the game back to me after two days "cause the graphicz were old and I killed everybody in that first town now I don't know what to do"

I think it's just impossible for new gamers to play games like Fallout; they're just so used to killing everything they see and playing as godlike invincible characters that they can't understand games that require actual thought.

I asked Styles before I became a Dinosaur, he said all you had to do was like the old games and want Fallout to return to its roots more.

Modern gaming annoys me so much. There aren't any quality games made anymore. I don't know anyone at my school that has played the original Fallouts. I first played Fallout in March 2009 when I got Fallout 3 for my birthday. I got the Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics bundle 3 months later, and liked them so much more. They were much more fun and didn't have the plotholes of Fo3. I wish games today were like how they were in the 90's.

Also, http://h8.abload.de/img/1307997722050a3n71.jpg is what modern gaming looks like. Really? Apparently, these are 9 different games.

My friend did the same, but with FO3. Barely made it out of the Vault. Reason? "They talk to much and I can't kill them". I died a little on the inside. Then again, he gets confused sometimes playing BF and COD singleplayer because he doesn't bother listening or reading.

If I had to guess at this, I'd say the key differences here are what the games were released on. Games released on consols have to pander to those companies. You wouldn't be able to get away with a Fallout1/2 style game on a consol, becuase Microsoft/Sony/Nintendo wouldn't go for it. They want games that apeal to a wide audience, that is something that anyone can pick up and master quickly.

Computer games (meant for the PC only) don't have to worry about apeasing the consol giants, and therefor have more creative leeway. No, they will probably never make another Fallout that is like the old ones (which is pretty damned sad) and yeah, most modern games are more about button mashing and split second timing than tactical thinking or long term strategy, but I wouldn't say ALL modern games are like that.

Some still require some level of thinking. Off the top of my head I can think of a few who break out of the mold (The Rainbow Six series does a pretty good job at forcing people to think, same with Ghost Recon, I'd also like to toss Starcraft (one and two) in there as that's one of the hardest damned games I've ever played (still stuck in Bronze on the NA server) and even though it is a First Person Shooter, I think Portal 2 has the challenges and puzzles to keep gamers guessing)

We can only hope that they (the all inclusive they of the video game world) keep making the occational "thinker's" game amid the billion and a half COD knockoffs.

~ Okay rant over, thank you for your time.

BTW do yall know any good rpgs that arent fantasy rpgs?(just keep the topic alive)

Recent RPGS?
Well.

Agent/Spy: Alpha Protocol.
Agent/Spy: Deus Ex: Human Revolution.
Sci-fi: Mass Effect.

Are some.

For a bit older games:

Deus Ex (the original game -- don't touch Deus Ex Invisible War, you'll only hurt your mind)
Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines (vampires.. fantasy... sure, but the setting is not fantasy)
Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic 1 and 2

I don't think Alpha Protocol was good, and Deus Ex is kind of really fake and boring. Mass Effect is good, and anything star wars is good

And how exactly is Deus Ex "fake and boring"?

All good games.

I enjoyed Jade Empire also.

Deus Ex you're like a robot or something stupid like that? Not a really good story line and it's basically doing the same thing over and over again?

I enjoyed Duke Nukem Forever better then that.

Oh and The Sims 2 and 3.
First one became a struggle of keeping their pee and shower and hunger meters at top but the sequels are damn good RPGs.

Now before anyone starts saying they're not, RPG's are about role-playing no?
Well, in The Sims you can define your character to degrees that you simply cannot in any of the other RPG's.
You have traits and personality modifiers to define the Sims, but only that, they have different interests and even varies in what food they find to be good.
If you leave two sims alone you can see how their true characters will clash, and it can have very interesting conflicts and events to it.

Sure, it doesn't have a combat system or armors or weapons or enemies.
But it's a different type of RPG.

I did a loooong roleplay for one of the families I had.
I started out with a young bachelor, he had a welcome party and met a couple, he got interested in the woman.
He seduced her and she broke up with her boyfriend, they moved to an apartment complex when she got pregnant with twins.
The twins became vastly different, once they got into college the girl decided to work hard at her studies but also had a love triangle with two co-eds which didn't end very nicely..
Her brother on the other hand simply didn't care about anything, he just messed around with the other guys and went to parties and never studied.
Ended up with the father being disappointed in the son for wasting his life away and threw him out of the house once he got home.
The daughter on the otherh and managed to get a good grade and soon moved to her own place, thing is that she hadn't focused enough on her personal life to truly "live", so she became sort of like a cat lady.
Now, the father and mother had another child and decided to move into a new place, but it soon became apparent that they could not handle the loan, so they got into touch with a single mother they knew and asked if she wanted to share the mansion with them.
Well, things happened and to cut it short, the bachelor ended up being in a romantic relationship with the single mother.
Probably cause his wife hadn't been intimate with him for a long time.
Well, she found out and all hell broke loose.

Now this is just a crude summary of what happened.
But let me ask ya'll this: Can any other RPG go into this kind of definition of choice?
Yeah yeah it's a "Simulation" game, but it fits perfectly into the RPG genre as well as you can roleplay in it.

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Hell, Sims 2 and 3 are better RPG's in terms of mechanics, choice and role-definition than any Fallout game is.
It doesn't have a storyline though, you have to create one yourself, but once you get into it it all flows naturally.

And yes I do realize that EA are greedy bastards and that The Sims have to suffer this with their expansions as well.
I do realize they hold back content from the vanilla game so that it can be sold in DLC's later.
But don't whine about Sims or Maxis, whine about EA's greed.