Patches updated for the floating tree and land tear.

Arthmoor there a small land gap near the brigde go to amelion tombs in leyawiin.

I dont know if it is resolved, but I saw an elevation in some parts of a lake in the imperial isle.

I use New roads, and UL Imperial Isle together, and the patch provided for them.

Check your load order, if you have the ESPs out of the intended sequence this will happen. Also if you are using the UOP and a Bash Patch, then remove the C.Water tag from the UOP ESP and rebuild the Bash Patch.

Thanx, Ill try that!

It'd be better to add C.Water to the Imperial Isle plugin than to remove it from the UOP.

Actually, no, it wouldn't. The UOP should never have shipped with the C.Water tag. Kivan didn't give us testers enough time to report back that it was causing problems. By the time I did, he'd already released and I can't blame him for not wanting to reupload 120MB for 7 characters of bad data

It intentionally changes water levels, so C.Water is appropriate. It "causes problems" because other mods change water levels and don't use C.Water, so they get overridden. If all other mods that intentionally change water levels used C.Water, there'd be no problem, so when you find a mod whose water levels are being overridden by the UOP, the sensible thing to do is to put C.Water on it, bringing yourself a step closer to that goal.

The alternative, removing C.Water from everything, brings back the water-level conflicts that C.Water was meant to solve, and no other way to solve them.

Your logic is sound except for one problem. The UOP was never intended to have it's fixes dominate over things intended to override them. Water heights are one of these things, and the C.Water tag on the UOP actually causes it to become the problem it wanted to solve. The tag does not know if the change is an actual change or if it's simply the same data as oblivion.esm and so it gets carried forward whether it should be or not. The same is true of any other mod using the same tags but because none of those touch 98% of Cyrodiil in the way the UOP does, they don't create these types of problems.

That solved the problem, thanks.

So this works with all the UL mods? If so, I'm certainly going to try this out!

It should. I've never had to make a patch for another UL for it. It doesn't pass close enough to any of the existing ones to need it.

I thought it'd be fine, too (except for Imperial Isle, which has the patch ), but its been nearly a year since I've touched Oblivion and couldn't rememeber exactly where the different UL mods started and stopped... There used to be a cell grid map that showed the older ones; if I find it, I'll link it. Might come in handy. :shrug:

Edit: Found it; I actually had it stored locally, so I uploaded it to the GuildCom server: http://scorpio.guildcom.us/images/es4/ULCellGridMaphi-res.jpg

The map is a bit out-of-date; some of the onesl isted as WIPs are actually finished (River Ethe, Panther River, Bravil Barrowfields) and some other may have been cancelled or renamed. ^_^ Despite not knowing how far out your roads & bridges extend, judging by the avoe map, the othly other ULs that come somewhat close to Imperial Isle are: The Great Forest: Lush Woodlands & The Great Forest: Ancient Redwoods, The Dark Forest, Rolling Hills, and possibly Ancient Yews. White Rose River might be another one to look at when its done.

I'm just trying to help out in case you didn't have this info & in case more patches need to be made.

Arthmoor is a member of the UL Council, and has access to maps like that before they get released to the public
For the most current version of the UL map, check out the http://www.gamesas.com/bgsforums/index.php?showtopic=938831 thread, which links to it.

That and I was also aware that the mod doesn't need another UL patch (yet) before joining the council.

None of my roads pass through Lush Woodlands or Ancient Redwoods territory. The Niben bridge lies in the gaps between Dark Forest, Bravil Barrowfields, and Ancient Yews. Anvil Farming will impact the segment from Kvatch down to Anvil and may end up completely wiping it off the map, but that's only going to be an issue when AF reaches completion. Same with Skingrad Outskirts. The latest UL map no longer shows White Rose River which would have heavily impacted the main road between Faregyl and Skingrad.

None of this was planned to be this way either. Ukrr built the mod likely with no knowledge of where the ULs were. Stroke of pure luck that he didn't drive through a lot more of them

Wow, my bad, I had forgotten you're on the UL Council, Arthmoor! >.< Forgive my audacity up there.

The legion patrols are now patrolling Arthmoor Although one of them didn't survive very long I'm sad to say.

I recently reinstalled the Roads and Bridges Mod and discovered that the distant LOD was either missing or misaligned.
See the following screen shot examples.

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/MickyDee145/Oblivion2009-03-2716-03-56-95.jpg

http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d15/MickyDee145/Oblivion2009-03-2716-26-44-77.jpg

I thought that my distantLOD file has somehow gotten corrupted so I deleted it and reestablished it using the TES4LOD Generator. That didn't solve the problem. Any suggestions on what might be done to clear up this issue?

My load order follows.

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Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]4C  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4E  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.6beta3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]52  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]53  Mart's Monster Mod - No Giants.esp  [Version 3.6beta3]54  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.6beta3]55  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]56  Mart's Monster Mod - Vindasel.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]57  Mart's Monster Mod - Foxes.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]58  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.6Beta3]59  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.38]5A  TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp  [Version 1.38]**  TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp5B  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5C  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5D  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]5E  Mart's Monster Mod - 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Loading area.espA7  ScreenControls.espA8  Visually Realistic Lava.espA9  OBSE-Storms & Sound.espAA  Beautiful PeopleV22 - MaleReplacerV3.espAB  Beautiful People.espAC  Scribe Supplies.espAD  RenGuardOverhaul.espAE  StokerWolff.espAF  Bashed Patch, 0.espB0  Streamline 3.1.espB1  Delivery Job - BC.espB2  Better Cities .espB3  Better Cities Full.espB4  Better Imperial City.espB5  Better Cities - Full City Defences.espB6  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.espB7  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.espB8  Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.espB9  Better Cities - Valley View Estate.espBA  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 0]

You need to update tes4lodgen. Version 2.2.0 had a bug in the rotation calculations that's been fixed in 2.2.2.

Thanks for your help! Bridge LODs now display correctly.

Is the Aran Mathi patch still working or even needed with the current version of R&B? If I remember correctly, the patch moved the bridge to where you've now placed it in the main ESP. It was quite some time ago that I created the patch though, so I may not be remembering correctly.

That patch still exists but I think I rebuilt it for its new purpose. All it needed to do now was close a small land rip that dropping a rock over wouldn't have solved. I can double check that again though.

One thing you should know, the patch for Fort Akatosh that puts the bridge back into the now "wrong" location will require a different patch for Aran Mathi because you've essentially put the bridge back on its original course which means a combination patch is going to be needed to fix things.

And Mannimarco Resurrection - and it's dumb fort placement.

From the pics I'd also guess that Mannimarco Resurrection also conflicts directly with Aran Mathi.

Yes, Mannimarco Resurrection is in the same place as Aran Mathi. I don't think the two can be made compatible with each other without a lot of serious relocation for one of them. Those two are the reason I rerouted my bridge to what ( at the time ) was open ground.

While much appreciated - the bridge was moved back by Vorians - which is what initiated this round of conversation I believe.

This indeed may be a case where not all parties can be pleased.

I still think the fort added by Mannimarco resurrection is placed in a very bizarre location - if ships were there they wouldn't be able to get through.

Ah well