While you are correct, I found it kind of cool that the game actually forced you to deal with the issues rather than just RPing it.

I realize it's an out, but, I still kind of enjoyed it. It made it feel more real to me and Lord knows there wasn't much else I actually liked about NV than survival mode.

Have you ever played Skyrim with Frostfall?

Stomach growl = hungry. Cough = thirsty. Yawn = sleepy. Then there's the mod Realistic Needs and Diseases. If the player drinks crapload of alcohol and he'd basically be tripping everywhere and have the drunk effect.

And meters are not necessarily bad.

It's all about the implementation and how much effort the modder (or Bethesda) wants to put into the mod.

Project nevada has done it best, where you could modify all the attributes, how quickly you became hungry,thirsty...

It's the only way I play New Vegas. Shame there is no such mode in FO4.

LARPing is not roleplaying. In order for these things to mean anything they need to have an effect. In order for eating food to mean anything, there needs to be hunger. Etc.

Project Nevada (and Wanderer's Edition for Fallout 3 before it) also had loot rarity settings so you could adjust how much foot / water / chems etc. you would find in containers and hand placed in the the world. Makes for a different type of gameplay experience when you not only have to eat / drink / sleep but you also can't find helpful items just by walking into the next encounter area. I've no doubt something like that system will be created once the official modding tools are released.

I miss that too.

So go play Vegas and stop complaining.

peed on by a dog... sounds like hardcoe something....

I was referring to his "immersion" comment, which to me seems like LARPing.

But beyond that.... eating food means a lot in the game, since it has a variety of healing & other effects. Not merely clicking "eat" when it says "you're hungry".

(Also, the meters thing was based on how FO:NV did it, not Frostfall. Which also tied into the immersion comment, because I can remember plenty of "ZOMG, ruinz mah immershuns!" threads back in Skyrim/FO3, with people complaining about the game daring to intrude upon their fantasies by displaying any HUD at all on the screen. So the idea of someone asking for more "gamey" features, in the pursuit of immersion, seems like a contradiction.)

It was a nice balancing act but you could always factor in that you would expend some ammo; could find more if need be and just settle for the weapon the ammo you found worked with.

One way of making sure there isn't too much food would be if "hardcoe" made food spoil over time.

Also did anybody else miss fact that in F1/2 sleeping did not heal instantly but that it took actually some time?

You know we can do these things already right? Hard core mode? You know when you die you can delete your game and start a new one. Oh you mean the easy thing, where you eat, sleep and drink? You can already do that. Heaven forbid you can't do it by yourself and need help and someone tell you how to do it.

After all if we really want hard core mode, how about going to the bathroom? After all, eating and drinking, we would need to go to the bathroom or we would die.

So do you really need someone or even worse a gaming company tell you how to wipe?

Power is in your hands. You want "hard core" you can do it. Just takes a bit more effort to tell you that you are hungry, or thirsty or tired. These are all things you can do in the game right now.

And it's all utterly meaningless without the game reacting to it. There is no point to eating if there isn't any hunger.

LARPing is not roleplaying, no matter how many reductios ad absurdum you throw at it.

In my opinion it is not meaningless. If it's not in the game, you make it in the game. After all you are playing a character in the game that Bethesda is not telling you what to be in your head. So if you want to be hungry and thirsty and sleepy you act it, just like if you act like you are a thief or homicidal murderer.

After all Bethesda doesn't tell us that we have to be a goodie two shoes, or a hippy or a thief or what not in the game.

That reminds me! I need to put bathrooms in my settlement! Oh Lord, those poor people! They must have been holding it in for so long! Of course, maybe that's why all my razorgrass keeps dying, but...

We can't be anything but a goodie two shoes, everything else has been removed since FO3.

If it's not in the game, then it's not in the game.

I can pretend that Super Mario is about a space alien trying to steal a kingdom from it's rightful king Koopa all I want, it's still make-belief unsupported by the actual story or gameplay of the game.

LOL @ Sonny.

But I'm always a goody-two-shoes.

You wouldn't believe how upset I was when I got the Wasteland Devil rating on F3. I don't even know what I did!

You can steal, you can murder, that is not being a goodie two shoes.

I always do it. I just plumb forgot this time. I seriously need to apologize to them. No wonder their happiness rating is only in the low 70's.

BTW: Ya know it's awfully peaceful to be setting up settlements w/out the Minutemen.

What game have you been playing?

There is food, water and places to sleep everywhere. My character is carrying like 30+ deathclaw steaks.

I just wish there were an option to get rid of weightless ammo, fusion cores etc. Its absurd that a desk fan weighs 3 pounds yet 6000 rounds of .45 and 38 cannonballs weigh nothing

Then again, look what happened with Witcher 3. So many complained about the weight system and being over encumbered all the time, just wasn't fun. You just can't please everyone all the time. I am sure there are a lot of people who like what Bethesda has done.

Now if this really upset as I have said numerous times, you can limit yourself and not carry so much, and carry only what you think you should be able to carry and not any more.

True, everyone has different tastes, I personally didn't have any issue with TW3 weight issues, especially with equipping Roach with saddle bags.

As far as limiting myself, i tend to stay umder 100 lbs, unless im on a specific loot run.

For some reason, if the ammo limit isn't placed FOR me, I typically will, in a sense not abide by self imposed limits... I will still grumble about them though lol. I know everyone wants a toggle for everything nowadays.

I remember the outrage of weightless carrots over at TES forums..Im not that outraged...just like.. "Really??"

If they add a hardcoe mode then I want mechanics that I can consider hardcoe. In my opinion the only 2 mechanics worth having was needing splints to fix crippled limbs and everything having weight. Luckily 4 already takes a que from NV withstimpacks not being instaheal.

I would love itif radiation storms were much more deadly and I used to have other ideas but I don't remember them anymore lol.