Here's my take on the subject:

Fallout 3 Pros

* More evocative settings: Megaton, Rivet City, Tranquility Lane, The Capital Ruins, the Capital Wasteland, and Vault-101 are all highly different and diverse environments for adventuring in.

* The greater sense of danger: Everything is trying to kill you in F3. The subway levels, especially, felt like they were claustrophobic and filled with all manner of horrible ghouls. The ghouls actually felt menacing then.

* Three Dog: As much as he got to annoy me by harping on the SINGLE quest I did one thing bad (I swear - after Tenpenny Towers - it was the only story he played); he was a much more vividly realized character than Mister New Vegas.

* John Henry Eden: He was, indeed, an extremely likable character. Malcolm MacDowel's performance was just awesome.

* Better Music: I just think it was a slight edge. "I don't want to set the world on fire", "Crazy for you", "Butcher Pete", and so on are just more enjoyable for me while I really only enjoy "Big Iron on his Hip" by contrast.

* Broken Steel: I confess, it had to be mentioned.

* Apartment themes: I loved these and thought they made your homes much more interesting. The Presidential Suite doesn't remotely suit MY Courier while I hate Novac, so I can't even say that's the sort of place I'd want to live. While Megaton's house was just MY home.

New Vegas Pros

* More Likable Companions: As much as I liked Fawkes, the companions in Fallout 3 were all fairly one note. Veronica, Boone, and Cass all have more personality than all of the other ones put together.

Who even WAS Star Paladin Cross?

* The Politics: NCR, Caesar's Legion, Mister House, and so on all gave interesting views about how society functions on the West Coast.

* The Wild West theme: I really enjoy Westerns, so this was really enjoys.

* The De-Fanging of the Brotherhood: I felt the games treatment of the BOS went a long way to showing the flaws of the organization and how they weren't the setting's Jedi Knighthood.

* The Length: I felt there was much more to DO in New Vegas than the Capital Wasteland and am getting more bang for my buck, even Pre-DLC.

* More interesting sidequests: A lot of times many of the places you visit don't have much to do but there's a more intimate set of sidequests, I think.

* The Villains: Caesar, Mister House, and Benny have stiff competition in Von Braun and JHE but the fact is that Benny is someone you dog for HALF the game tirelessly. That made his death MUCH MUCH more satisfying.

Here's my take:

Fallout 3 pros

More danger/killing: There's more hostiles and things to kill. You feel like it's more dangerous.
Varied and exciting quests: Even though a lot of them are - most of the FO3 quests didn't feel like travel-fetch/talk-travel type quests. You also had a lot more quests involving hostility.
More open map: I feel there was much more to explore in FO3 and the map was totally open. No inaccessible areas etc.
More open map design: I've always felt that FNV is very much "leading" you forcefully on one path. Down to Primm, on to Nipton then Novac, then up to The Strip. You "can't" go directly north from Goodsprings, nor "can" you go directly east to Novac from Goodsprings. Plus there's large areas that you full-stop can't access.

Fallout: New Vegas pros

MUCH better characters: Written better, multi-faceted. Ties in with politics.
MUCH better companions: See above
Better story with many more choices and multiple endings: Just overall the writing is far superiour to FO3.
Blurred and greyed out morality: I love this, probably my favourite feature.
Political insight very good.
More true to FO1 and FO2.
Enclave gone, BoS back to what they should be.
Humour is included which FO3 didn't really have.
Survival/Crafting/hardcoe are natural and interesting additions. Good how these aspects can be pretty much ignored as well.

Well i think F3 is defiantly one of the best for obvious reasons which were stated. There was constant DANGER.

F3:
Pros:
Good factions
Decent writing.
Great atmopshere
Great surronding area
Awesome people to learn about.
Great cities and factions
Plenty of awesome quests
REPLABILITY

FNV:
Pros:
Great writing
Great companions
Awesome factions
Politics.
Nice surrounding area.
PLENTY of quests
Some good locations
More backstory to characters

Really people we needed a part 2?

Lemme chime in, but I think we could done without another topic.

Fallout 3.

Pros:
1. My first Fallout game.
2. Exploration.
3. Fairly Creative.
4. Music

Cons:
1. Writing was trash.
2. Broke lore.
3. Nothing was plausible.
4. Radiation after 200 years.
5. Bethesda fails to understand human nature.
6. Companions were awful.
7. Combat svcked.
8. Copy Pasted Tunnels.

6.5/10

Fallout New Vegas.

Pros:
1. Great writing.
2. Decent exploration.
3. Awesome companions.
4. Factions done well.
5. Multiple Endings.
6. Iron Sights.
7. World conforms to your actions.
8. Gambling.
9. Perks every two levels.
10. Did not break lore.

Cons:
1. World map was fairly static.
2. Bugs, Bugs, Bugs, Glitches, Bugs, more Bugs.
3. FPS mechanics still wobbly.
4. Not hard enough.
5. Not enough Legion.
6. Strip was a let down.

8.5/10

I like them both, but there is a difference. I like Fallout 3 as a Action-Adventure Shooter game with RPG mechanics, i like New Vegas as a true Fallout RPG with a real meaningful C&C system.

Sorry?

Choices & Consequences.

I'm not sure I get this one either.

But yes, I think since the games mostly use the same engine, that comparing them is pretty valid. Plus, honestly, it's possible to like both for different reasons. It's not like there's an OBJECTIVE way to say which game is better. It's only which you like more and for what reasons.

Fallout 3 is by far better.
It's storyline is a new, unique dark emotional trip that few developers manage to pull off, not to mention the character creation is so immersive and deep that I it's the highlight of the game for me.
The gameworld is so brilliantly designed for a post apoclyptic game that I can get lost for hours trekking across the ashes of the old world.
The writing of characters and voice acting is superb and filled with a colourful spectrum of fun and interesting dialogues.

Fallout 3: New Vegas on the other hand is a buggy mess.
Freezes, glitches, game breaking bugs. It's filled with it.
There are too many weapons with too many variables that I can't decide what weapons is best.
The gameworld is a maze of invisible walls and boring beige desert with no enemies to be found at all.
The characters are all card board cut outs with not even a flicker of light in their hearts.
The voice acting is absolutely dreadful with it's cowboy theme.
The main story is schizophrenic and unclear, I can't even understand who the good guys are. They're all bad guys.
Yes Man is a psychopathic robot, House Man is a greedy old diaper wearing perv, Caesar is a psychopathic sixist and NCR is filled with corruption.
I can't relate to any of them as they're all so evil.


So for me Fallout 3 is one of the best games ever and I can't believe that Bethesda made such a horrible expansion.
Hope Fallout 4 is better though.
I hope they include vehicles, a deathclaw companion and Enclave.
That would be epic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOaxOolM60s&feature=related

Wow gab...you really dont like it. I thought you did though?

For me, I've always hated Fallout 1 and 2 for ripping off the story from wasteland and having bad graphics.
The voice acting was horrible, seriously am I the only one who only sees subtitles?
The world is 2D and isn't immersive and has bad graphics- oh I said that already.
You can't RP truely because its not first person and you can has the of fun if the am is the do for is top down.
The SuperMutants are nothing like what was in fallout 3 so they arn't good in anyway and they are am the is to be for my bad.
The Enclave are not the bad guy of the am is the game for who cares why, they are not 2d bad guys.
The graphics svck.
The story was ripped off of fallout 3, stupid rip offs, make something original. god.
The exploration svcked, I mean really- only seven states? god what a joke! seriously
Fallout 3 is the greatest story of all time for being completely original and has the am the good is translator for the is acting.

I think not!


Oh god no, it's a horrible mess of an excuse of a game.


Fully agree, I hope Bethesda has learned a valuable lesson from letting Obsidian work on it.
Hell, Fallout New Vegas and most definitely the old games should be examples of how "not to make a Fallout game."

Yes the originals are definitely: the way to not make the game.

Sarcasm over?

Yes.

He s lieing soo bad I laughed for 30secs

So you finally wisenned up and admited that Fallout 3 was wrong? Never thought I'd see the day. :laugh:

Fo3 is the worst game ever made the voice acting makes me want to puke. There is radiation there 200 years after a global thermal nuclear war. I knew what happend when the game ended which pisses me off. I never want to know what happened. I want to be able to make everybody win. I can t role play that I love the Enclave and thd Enclave loves me. I can t rp that talon comp loves me.

Way too much shooting. People tried to kill me. No one that worked for interplay and black isle worked on this game. The DC ruins svcked. Bethesda didn t have a booming nation there.

Bos had a brain which is against canon. BOS and Enclave squard off which is against canon. Super mutants were on the east coast which is against canon. It wasn t a carbon copy of fo2 which is against canon. It wasn t on the west coast which is against canon. It wasn t turn based which is against canon it didn t have map nodes which is against canon. DC was too close to olney which is against canon,

nv perfect

No, no it wasn't.

Fo3 was the win and am is the nv bad

In fo3 ferals were on the east coast which is against canon. Enclave worn different pa than fo2 which is against canon. Chris Avellone didn t work on this game which is against canon. Nothing was growinb which is against canon. bos used conventional weapons which is against canon. Nothing made any sense. Bad people were stronger than the good people there, and none of them loved me no matter how many characters I made.

They added in bullet sponges that killed my uber god.

The had a alien dlc which is against canon Way too many buildings I could go into. Too many things trying to kill me. Fo3 negative 5 out of 50.


FO NV The voice acting almost made me cry it was so good. The story made me care. The writing rivals Stephen King. CL is sooo cool. I couldn t lose more than 12 hp when I was a Uber god. I could make everyone love me except radiers, and I think I should have been able to make them love me too. I put more bullets in a crate than I fired from my weapon. 72/50

The big irony is I'm totally unsure whether II Rook II is being sarcastic or not.

Which makes this thread rather difficult to proceed.

Edit:

In any case, I'd like to discuss what we'd like to see carried over from both games into the next one. Try and see what elements were best.

I want this game givin back to interplay forever.

So noted, in any case, I don't much care for the mechanics of the original Fallout games and much prefer the newer First Person Shooter ones.