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The reason why people don't like Fallout!

Out of say around 50 of my friends that have Xbox/PS3, only 1 other person besides me likes Fallout. I have always wondered why this was, then it struck me:

During Fallout, YOU ACTUALLY HAVE TO THINK. Strange I know, but I believe this is the reason my friends don't like Fallout. They prefer games such as COD and Halo, because there is a set thing to do, (go here, RPG this, kill this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then this guy, then this guy, got the point yet?)

Fallout actually makes you think about your decisions and choices that you make, and they have an effect on the rest of your game. This is unlike most other games. Fallout keeps your brain thinking.

While playing Fallout, I actually came across something, saved the game, turned off my Xbox 360 and went to bed. The reason being that I actually needed time to think about the next choice that I was going to make. I summed up the consequences then made the appropriate decision. Where as if i was playing the Black Ops career, I would stop and think of ways to try and make it more fun after getting bored from it after about 10 minutes.

People don't like games that make them think. People hate games that make them think. Thus, why people don't play Fallout.

I let my friend borrow Fallout last week. He gave it back to me after one night. I asked him why. He replied "I got stuck on a bit that I couldn't figure out". I can almost guarantee that he barley thought about it, and after the fact that there was more then one way to do things, he instantly labelled it "crap".

I can't describe my point enough, I can't get my message across, but i'm trying anyway.

Say during the Black Ops Campaign, there was a place in it, where you actually had to figure something out for yourself, or say find something, without any direction what so ever, I can almost guarantee that more people would hate it. I guarantee it.

Fallout is unique as it keeps you guessing and on your toes, just one of the many reasons that I love it.

Well there you have it, my story.

Enjoy if you wish, dilike if you want,
bigdavoo.

A sad reality with you aim for the "main stream" your target audience is basically the lowest denominator of the gamer market. Thats the reason more and more games are getting dumbed down and getting the micheal bay effect added to them. the primary reason I didn't like FO3, they gave you a story on rails, with basically no choices and plenty of "bay 'spolsions" to try and force it to be "epic".

Sadly this is true. Though I think Fallout 3 picked up a new mainstream audience because of the Michael Bay explosions and it being like an FPS. And New Vegas probably lost some of those fans with the reintroduction of critical thinking.

well I do like that the Fallout community is small and friendly!

But yes you do have a good point there.

Another reason may be because of the slow pace of the game, especially in the beginning. People (kids...) really like fast paced action games now a days

There was choices it was a step up from say tes but not by much .Like tranquility lane was full of choices or just simply choosing to save Garza on the way to the citadel i agree there should have been loads more like join the enclave.And pre broken steel end was good in my opinion but they wrecked that.If it didn't have the bs that is broken steel then i think the Mq would of been decent.

Believe me, enough people play Fallout.

What you're saying is halfway right, you're just not seeing the reason. For a lot of people, a game should be something that you can pick up for a bit and then put it down when you want.

You can't really enjoy fallout in one hour sessions, much less get immersed. It takes dedication.

I have friends who are like that, except they're intelligent enough to realise that "not my prefered type of game" does not equal "crap"
Maybe because i also respect their gaming style and i'm not trying to shove my games down their throat.

It's my opinion that gamers who are immersed in the Fallout universe tend to be on a higher level of intelligence than most gamers. This is not disrespectful to other gamers, just a nod to Fallout gamers!! :wink_smile:

If my friends tell me stuff like that when I convince them to play, I'll usually call them things like "stupid" or "idiot" or "not smart enough to play it, I guess."

If you berate them enough, they'll usually svck it up and give it another go. And usually enjoy it, too...

I remember when I hit my "Ahh! Frustrating moment!" point in F3 (those stupid fire ants..I walked right past Megaton on my first time through..never even saw it that playthrough..) and I turned the game off for the night and quit.
But I came back the next day, and it became my favorite game of all time.


Some people just need time to change their approach of thinking to these games.

A little harsh. I'm guessing that you're not directing this at the OP, right? :spotted owl:


A little more artfully stated. :thumbsup:

To the OP

Not wanting to start a console war, your observations and conclusions are pretty close to mine. I'm of the same mind as inbredmachinehead but with the qualifier that there are different flavors of intelligence (left-brain, right-brain if you will.)

As long as we keep our anolysis quantitative (more vs. less) rather than qualitative (better vs. worse) we should be fine. I believe that you are making the quantitative argument—and I agree. While your subset of friends is hardly a valid sample it does not invalidate the conclusion. Neither does the fact that there are a large number of console gamers in these forums. :biggrin:

What may be a fool's errand, however is trying to get them to change. You can lead a horse to water... :rolleyes:

Nononono. As in, i'm not implying that OP would be pushy like that.
I was trying to point out that some people (like myself) also tend to be more critical and closed minded about things if someone really hypes up something that they're not necessarily interrested in.

See I don't get why people hate on cod so much. I mean sure there is those kids that are mindless and play like zombies but there is strategy in games like that if you pull it off right. Believe me, I play enough to know xD

Anyways yeah, not enough people play fallout. i probably have a good 5 close friends who play and I'm getting more into it but damn, it's ridiculous when you talk about Fallout at times and people are like :confused: Wtf is fallout? Some new FPS?

long time ago when i was in school ( i got a long ass memory) i was with some frienmys (friends + enemies ) and 1 of them played FO3 and i ask "oh it was good huh?" then said the dumbest thing a gamer could say " it was boring , ran around with only a BB gun why dident i start with a assault rifle like in halo or MW2?" why? CUZ THATS THE [censored] POINT!!!!! also he only played 30 mins of it before he wanted to return it

oh this may be off topic but its fact that not many play NV cuz they thought FO3 was boring

My thoughts exactly, IMO most people who are playing Halo and COD just love the "Here's a cool gun go kill some Aliens/Russians/Terrorists and explode some stuff while you're at it" type gameplay. One of my friends complaints about Fo3 is that there was "Too much reading" ... :facepalm:
Yes Fallout has cool guns but it also has a good story and logic.

Speaking of this CoD and all... I mean nothing by this, it's just a fun story, and it's a bit off-topic... but there's this annoying kid by the bus stop sometimes where I live (he and I are like the only ones ever using that bus stop), who may be like 7-8 years old (I am really bad at estimating age) and he's a bit of a social misfit. I can agree that I am that myself, but he doesn't say "hi" or anything a normal person would when I approach him (or the bus stop) to wait for the bus. He jumps right onto the subject, which is CoD: Black Ops. More specifically, zombie maps and pistols that shoot grenades and people online saying bad words and zombies going ZAAP and whatnot. I dunno, I've never played Black Ops... Last time I played a CoD game was many years ago, on the PS2. This little fella here just goes on and on about it!

:D

I have one freind who plays Fallout he's never played the originals but really pays attention to the story and reads about the lore. I think he stopped playing cause his game bugged though.

Yes i also do play Cod(sometimes) but i play Battlefield Bad Company 2 more because it actually implies TACTICS. Thats right everyone TACTICS!! Cod doesnt take hardly any thought to play at all. Its just run and gun. Im not bashing on it because i have Cod2 and up to present. Its just not a good thinking game you could say.

Fallout you actually think for your consequences and actions.

this is what I'm referring to when I say "lowest denominator", most of the "main stream are like this, or are the so called "casual" player that doesn't have really any vested interest in any genre, they tend toward a "generic FPS" style thats the "fad" of the month or what not. When specific genre's like RPG are then targeted to these audiences, they have to continually make compromises to the complexity and gameplay to suit that particular demographic that usually alienates the one they should be making the game for, the RPG players.

No Liberty I wouldn't say FO3 has any meaningful choices, for the sole reason that they are never taken into account. For example blow up Megaton? pretty much no one acknowledges it and then your back on the rails. It changes nothing in the story.

[INTELLIGENCE 10] Agreed.@Andaius well Jamesand (dad) three dog says that it's a good job etc for disarming it and i don't remember the story changing if i activated Archimedes 2 and power of the atom has the same if not more impact on the world than any sq in fonv due to megaton being gone.

well if they saw a preview of the fat man....then well....

I don't think it's necessarily that people don't like to think. There is no basis for this assumption, no proof that "thinking" is a primary reason that there aren't as many fans of Fallout as there is for Halo or Call of Duty.

Could it possibly be that, the creators of Halo and Call of Duty have a wider reach in the market due to the nature of their games as well as their marketing strategy? Compare those companies to Bethesda (or Obsidian in this case) and their ability to advertise their games. I can guarantee that the makers of Halo and Call of Duty have likely spent a lot more money on advertising than Bethesda did for Fallout 3 or Fallout: New Vegas. Could it also be that it is likely that people like to game with other people (which is the primary selling point of Halo and Call of Duty)? These are all things that should be considered rather than "I have to "think" to play this game and since I'm one of the few people out of my friends who play this game rather than the popular games, that has to be the reason why this game is not as popular".

The logic just doesn't add up.

This is the truth. I have only two friends who love the game, but that is just because they can kill anyone and steal anything :facepalm:

Lol thats not really using the games Full potential...

I know! It pisses me off a little. The best part is they have no idea about the back story or anything. This was fine with Fallout 3, but not New Vegas... They just bought it because it was a new game... and now they don't like it because there aren't enough people to kill and they don't understand the plot...


:banghead: lol This is the only place I can come to talk about my love for the game! :fallout:

they are in a nuked continent in the future......what did they expect? (possible nazi zombies.......i even bet they thought ghouls where zombies)

You hit the nail on the head :fallout:

Some people don't like the idea of their actions having consequences. They don't want to think. They want games that hold their hand and that are filled with Michael Bay EXPLOSIONS!