That wasn't what he meant. I can deduce when I want to, and this time I wanted to.

I find it ridiculous people are complaining about bonuses. What's it to you, anyway? Those items are in no way crucial, and one of the first mods is going to be a pack of those very items anyway.


You'll have to explain what's bothering you better. The apparent greediness? Welcome to the monetary system, stranger! Everything is money driven, the sooner a company can receive money for a product, the better it can manage.

you guys did notice that it lists which items are pre order dlc exclusive right? the classic pack has 3 exclusive items, the stim packs are everywere.
mercenary is the armor and gun, tribal is the machete and armor, and caravan is the gun and armor. the binoculars, available in game, with this you just get them at the start.
the light weight metal armor looks like gamma shield armor thats been stripped down.

"grub"
v. grubbed, grub·bing, grubs
Slang: To obtain by importunity

The greediness shouldn't be justified by means of better management in correlation to time of income, as they're hardly related.
While that may be disputed, the fact that I don't have the means to be giving away extra money for content which should be included regardless of when I purchase it is a little upsetting. Just because a company can get away with swindling money out of the customer's pocket doesn't mean that I should oblige to it to obtain content which has always been included in games prior.

So spears are in do you think they use melee. Or is throwing skill coming back and I missed it?

Unless I'm mistaken, it costs the same now as it will when it comes out. Only this way, you get some free things on the side. Obviously, its an incentive to get people to purchase the game earlier, but I fail to see how pre-purchasing a game that I was planning to buy anyways (only now I get some exclusive gear) can equate to money 'grubbing'.

Pre-purchasing a game requires extra money. Regardless of where that money goes or whom it goes to, it shouldn't determine whether I'm able to obtain certain content or not.
If you want to know how these pre-order deals are made, feel free to research it. The game developers and the middle men are getting a great deal out of it.

Returning investments early wouldn't help managing? Fine, let's put that one aside, then. How about making sure a customer pays the maximum sum of money, before prices drop? In this market prices drop relatively quickly, pre-orders essentially make sure the consuming population is more inclined to paying the full sum or even above that. So they come up with some sort of bonus to appeal to consumers.
It's not really a scam, a company doesn't really have a lot of choice in a system driven by competition - if you think about it, other types of corporations don't handle themselves much differently, every organization needs to maximize profits in order to preserve its own existence.
Now, if we didn't have the monetary system and instead people felt cosmic fulfillment simply from handing out their creations, well, that would be utopia.

Coll this is what I have been waiting for.I need to now decided which store to get it from.They are really good thanks Bethesda for giving us some solid pre-order bonuses.

I'm over pre-ordering for items now, Bioware took care of that. I won't begrudge anyone that wants to hunt pre-order items down, makes no real difference to me. The place I'm pre-ordering through requires no money up front and effectively offers free shipping as the pre-order incentive. That's a far better incentive for me.

Edit: For pre-ordering an item through the online store I'm using they knock $AU10 off the price which is slightly more than the cost of shipping.

Is this thread going to turn into one of those where it has nothing to do with fallout. But all about personal philosophies concerning corporations were no one agrees but nitpicks over details endlessly.
Because I beleive all companies need to have flowers in everyones hair. And make them dance naked round the office three times an hour.

I'm going to pre-order it tonight but I need help deciding where to pre-order from. I would pre-order from steam because it's the most convinient and it has the bonuses I want the most but then I couldn't get the collectors edition. I would order from gamestop but they have the lammest bonus, however their bonus seems less OP for the begining of the game. I would pre-order from bestbuy but their website mentions nothing about pre-ordering the collectors edition.

What? Thread is evolving!
Madoc: b, b, b, b, b!!!! :ahhh:

:rofl:
Yep keep it simple. and fun. Like me.
And lets get back to friends discussing who is gonna get the biggest weapon.
Machette for me yeeeh.

Yeah, that's not "swindling." Nothing is being misrepresented...there's no trickery, bait and switch, or any other scam going on here. As a company they can make whatever promotional offers they want. Not qualifying for a promo offer does not, in any way, constitute being ripped off. Let's say some store is having a one-day sale in which you get free pizza with your purchase. Let's say you have to work that day and can't go, and therefore can't take advantage of said sale or eat any delicious free pizza (I'm hungry). Are you being swindled? Hardly. This is really an unwarranted level of outrage.

Is missing out on some piece of unique armor that's slightly different than another you have 5 sets of going to affect your enjoyment of the game? Really?


Exactly. Who cares? Not I. :shrug:

You just summed up my feelings pretty nicely.

Hey, if I ask to preorder a Collector's Edition from Wal-Mart, will I get both the Collector's Edition and the Wal-Mart Pre-order bonuses/"Caravan Pack" bonuses?

pre order content is essentially item cheats. I'll pass

I don't mind this per-order exclusive, but what irritates me is that which one to get which one will be more of a use to me?

Let's start off.

Classic Pack: The Armored Vault 13 Suitlook exactly the same except for 13 on the back I find this disappointing. Vault 13 Canteen seems like a nice thing to have, but how "handy" is it? Weathered 10mm Pistol how much of an extra punch does it pack?
5 Stimpaks I am not to sure how they work, how much the heal over "x" amount of time, and if the amount you are giving us is a extravagant amount because they are hard to find.

Tribal Pack: The Tribal Raiding Armor again looks exactly like the Raider Blastmaster Armor with maybe little to no color change. Come on guys I would like to see something a little more creative. <_<
Broad Machete seems straight forward. 5 Bleak Venom Doses so your saying that it is water down or diluted venom extract? :huh: 10 Throwing Spears I like this and pinning people against the wall is fun. :tops:

Caravan Pack: The Lightweight Leather Armor I like it because you changed it, but mostly removed a lot of the cool looking stuff. :meh: Sturdy Caravan Shotgun it's a shotgun.
4 Repair Kits how do they work? Do they work like the repair hammers in oblivion? Binoculars I am guessing you can get these later on in the game so I guess it does not hurt to get it early in the game.

Mercenary Pack: The Lightweight Metal Armor same like the lightweight leather armor, but I like this one more. You took off a few thinks, but you took of the right things. It looks smooth. B)
Mercenary's Grenade Rifle lets just say it better be able to put out two shots before the enemy reaches you instead of one and a half.
3 Super Stimpaksso do they work like the ones from fallout 3 or like the one in this game, but faster and more heath? 3 Doctors Bags they are bags....for doctors.

That is all I have to say thank you for reading.

The caravan pack seems like it would be the one I'd prefer... But I'll probably pre order from gamestop since I'm on xbox and it's just easier that way. I wander if you'll be able to get the default equipment (vault 21 jumpsuit, 9mm, etc...) if you also have the pre order stuff.

Slightly different versions of items that will be ingame anyway. Seriously, that's not a big deal at all. If you see this as a cheat, just throw those items into the next bottomless terrain glitch.

5 STIMPAKS YESSS!!! :celebration:

Looking through the different pre-order bonuses, I noticed "mobility" is mentioned a few times. Could armors have even more impact on your character, or is this wishful thinking?

Might be a reference to stealth, which armors already affected in FO 3, or running speed.

The bigger question to me is how long any of this unique stuff will be useful before you find better gear in-game anyway? Seems like most of it is just regular in-game items for free, which I don't care for. The only things listed that interest me at all are the Vault 13 items, and that's only because I wouldn't mind displaying some Vault 13 stuff in my house (for those that don't know, Vault 13 was the one the player character was from in Fallout 1). Even then, how hard would it be for someone to use the CS to just mod another canteen to have that texture? Not very.

Probably just means they weigh less. With Obsidian stressing the importance of balancing your character setup before adventuring, that would be my conclusion. It's like the fancy talk regarding Power Armour - in the end, the (fluff-wise) technology that makes you able to carry this massive piece of metal would only result (in gameplay) in it adding more carry weight, then filling it with the weight of the armour.