New Vegas is pretty desolate for a wasteland

Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:49 pm

Why wasn't Vegas hit? I would have went straight for every major city, Los Angeles, New York, Las Vegas, D.C, Miami, if i was in control would all be nuked into oblivion.


Well, they wouldn't hit every city. They would prioritize certain cities and all the missile silos and military complexes. As an aggressor, you want to neutralize their response capability and disrupt their government as much as possible. This is why those who think they are safe in Montana, Wyoming, North Dakota and South Dakota are living in fantasy. They would be one of the first to be hit in a nuclear attack.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 3:31 pm

For me, I think it comes down to - the game's not out yet. :shrug: Vids never looks as good as the real thing, anyway. And it kind of hard to say anything definite about how the scenery or landscape really looks until after the release.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:10 pm

Why wasn't Vegas hit? I would have went straight for every major city, Los Angeles, New York, Las Vegas, D.C, Miami, if i was in control would all be nuked into oblivion.


IIRC :

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House had something to do w/ the fact that no nukes hit Vegas.

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I'm really wondering what China would look like, if they still have an operating government, still have a large army with powerful technology... what I am saying is that will the Chinese communists ever come back sometime in the next Fallout games as a new poweful enemy faction? (more or less to replace the dying Enclave...) Also less nukes and rubble gives the game a more early Mad Max vibe P=
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I was looking at the videos and I must say that the casino mini game system is horrible and unrealistic. Also, from the videos I can tell that the final quest is going to be super lame. Oh, and also the companions have really stale personalities. I can tell from watching the videos. :violin:
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 5:32 am

I would have went straight for every major city, Los Angeles, New York, Las Vegas, D.C, Miami, if i was in control would all be nuked into oblivion.

I really doubt Vegas would be a priority target in a nuke exchange. There's very little there outside of games and leisure...not a lot of industry. The resident population is only just over a half a million. We could probably live without Miami too. :P

If you were going by economy and population then New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago would be your big non-military targets, in that order. Not terribly happy about that last one. That's where all me stuff is at. :D
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:32 pm

:facepalm:
Just wait till the game comes out, please. You should get your facts right before making assumptions. Besides, there are a lot more work on secondary locations, not just buildings that you aimlessley walk through....
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:01 pm


What i'm saying is that it looks too clean, it's as if the bombs dropped and after they'd dropped they decided they shouldn't leave the place they just partied on down into in such a mess and pulled out a dustpan and brush.


Deserts are very clean places - because few bacteria can grow. Google some images of the mohave, it is in actuality a very desolate place.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 5:18 pm

I'm really wondering what China would look like, if they still have an operating government, still have a large army with powerful technology... what I am saying is that will the Chinese communists ever come back sometime in the next Fallout games as a new poweful enemy faction? (more or less to replace the dying Enclave...) Also less nukes and rubble gives the game a more early Mad Max vibe P=

I have this itching feeling (or hope if you will) that China probably got more destroyed than the U.S. I really hope they don't make any large appearances in Fallout games to come plus the world has been destroyed in a global nuclear war I think the last thing on anyone's mind is expansionism/imperialism especially in China's case, I'm so tired of these red commie bastards to be blunt. :facepalm:
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 10:01 pm

I've recently watched all of the videos for the game so far and i've got to say, i'm not impressed with the decoration of areas and scenery one bit; there is absolutely no rubble or ground clutter or random items anywhere and as a result it looks as if alot of the areas shown were made by some amateur in the G.E.C.K. in under 30 minutes.

What i'm saying is that it looks too clean, it's as if the bombs dropped and after they'd dropped they decided they shouldn't leave the place they just partied on down into in such a mess and pulled out a dustpan and brush.

1. it's set 200 years the bombs fell, surely humanity would've done something to clean the place up, especially considering....
2. the bombs never fell on Las Vegas, there's no nuclear destruction within the immediate vicinity of the city.
3. have you ever been to the Mojave Desert? I have, lots of times, tons of times, more times than I'd ever wanted to go, and I gotta say, it's a very barren place to begin with. There're small shrubs and the occasional cactus but by and large the Mojave Desert is one massive flat desert. Think of it this way, the Mojave Desert is to the West Coast what the Great Plains are to the Midwest.
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1. it's set 200 years the bombs fell, surely humanity would've done something to clean the place up, especially considering....
2. the bombs never fell on Las Vegas, there's no nuclear destruction within the immediate vicinity of the city.
3. have you ever been to the Mojave Desert? I have, lots of times, tons of times, more times than I'd ever wanted to go, and I gotta say, it's a very barren place to begin with. There're small shrubs and the occasional cactus but by and large the Mojave Desert is one massive flat desert. Think of it this way, the Mojave Desert is to the West Coast what the Great Plains are to the Midwest.

You can't really blame the guy he lives in the UK I'm guessing his experience with a desert environment is somewhere between zilch and nada especially in the case of the Mojave Desert. I lived in Twentynine Palms (Living near Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms) for 4 years of my life its basically the typical desert environment that you'd expect from that region. (it also happens to be located right there in the Mojave Desert.)

This is the environment you should expect when dealing with the http://homepage.mac.com/patholleran/ParkVision/JoshuaTree/JT-103.jpg the environment in New Vegas looks smooth and junk-free (sort of perfect and untouched as well) because that is exactly how it looks in real life. :tops:
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 8:39 pm

This is the environment you should expect when dealing with the http://homepage.mac.com/patholleran/ParkVision/JoshuaTree/JT-103.jpg the environment in New Vegas looks smooth and junk-free (sort of perfect and untouched as well) because that is exactly how it looks in real life. :tops:

Just looking at that picture makes me worry about snakes. :P
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:16 am

Yup, we have brown pudding, yellow-ish pudding, pudding with water, pudding on the streets, some with mutants to its side and vanilla on the top... That's a lot more varied than F3 ever managed with its rubble and grassland pudding.

Bill Cosby is in New Vegas?! Coo'
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:33 am

I think one person mentioned this already, but the story is that Mr. House had a hand in keeping Vegas from being hit.

For those saying that it's due to Las Vegas not being a priority target, this pretty much contradicts those theories.

"As a result of its varied roles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellis_Air_Force_Base is home to more squadrons than any other Air Force Base."

So it seems to me that NAFB, located roughly 5 miles from the strip, would be a prime target.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:28 pm

I live like four hours from vegas and the footage looks like how the Mojave looks. Scrub brush and desolate.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:42 pm

For those saying that it's due to Las Vegas not being a priority target, this pretty much contradicts those theories.

"As a result of its varied roles, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nellis_Air_Force_Base is home to more squadrons than any other Air Force Base."

So it seems to me that NAFB, located roughly 5 miles from the strip, would be a prime target.

Very true, the base would probably be a priority target. The city, not so much...unless the attacker just really, really dislikes strippers.
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:11 am

Just looking at that picture makes me worry about snakes. :P

Rattlesnakes, Scorpions, & Tarantulas are pretty common fair in that area. (We even had a pet Tarantula that my Dad caught when we lived there.) :)
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:15 am

Very true, the base would probably be a priority target. The city, not so much...unless the attacker just really, really dislikes strippers.

How long has it been there? 40s?
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 6:53 pm

I've recently watched all of the videos for the game so far and i've got to say, i'm not impressed with the decoration of areas and scenery one bit; there is absolutely no rubble or ground clutter or random items anywhere and as a result it looks as if alot of the areas shown were made by some amateur in the G.E.C.K. in under 30 minutes.

What i'm saying is that it looks too clean, it's as if the bombs dropped and after they'd dropped they decided they shouldn't leave the place they just partied on down into in such a mess and pulled out a dustpan and brush.


The reason it looks like this is by intentional design. The devs stated directly that the bombs never directly hit Vegas, and you even get to find out how why Vegas survived nuclear devastation as you play the game.
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:26 am

Just thought I'd point out.

Have you ever seen The Road Warrior? Voted the most favorite post apocalyptic adaptation on numerous sites and there's not a bit of rubble in it.

New Vegas will be fine, stop whinign.
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:31 am

Really, NCR was supposed to have that many people? I sure never saw even close to 700k people.


http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Vault_City_Travel_Log: New California Republic: "Population: Though a census has been conducted, we do not have access to the figures. NCR is believed to have many tens of thousands of people." Add up the populations of the towns on the list then take into account it does not have every town in the game and add that to it.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/NCR The Republic is dedicated to restoring order and progress to the wasteland, as well as old world values such as democracy, liberty, and the rule of law. As of early 2240s, the population is about 700,000 people. In terms of political influence, economical power and population, the NCR is arguably the largest and most powerful known power group in the world of Fallout, and maintains the largest standing army.
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:07 pm

One day I'll have to write an essay on the overuse of the word 'amateurish'.


Just make sure it's written in a professional style. :P
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 7:53 pm

How long has it been there? 40s?


1941
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Post » Wed Oct 13, 2010 9:26 am

I've recently watched all of the videos for the game so far and i've got to say, i'm not impressed with the decoration of areas and scenery one bit; there is absolutely no rubble or ground clutter or random items anywhere and as a result it looks as if alot of the areas shown were made by some amateur in the G.E.C.K. in under 30 minutes.

What i'm saying is that it looks too clean, it's as if the bombs dropped and after they'd dropped they decided they shouldn't leave the place they just partied on down into in such a mess and pulled out a dustpan and brush.

Nukes are expensive. There are thousands of locations in the US that would not warrant dropping a warhead there. (I'd think the middle of a desert would qualify).
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Post » Tue Oct 12, 2010 11:48 pm

New Vegas looks more like it should/would than the Capital Wasteland ever did. Infact, the Capital Wasteland looked more like Nevada! You can't have rubble if there is nothing there in the first place. And you can't have nothing if it is a huge residential area. So New Vegas has it right in that regard, and FO3 had it wrong.

the reason New Vegas (or Las Vegas) didn't get hit is the whole point of this story. I don't want to know until House tells me!
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