Hi, everyone.

I know Bethesda didn't develop New Vegas, but since it's canon, I really hope they don't pretend like it never happened and throw a reference or an easter egg here and there in F4.

But seeing as there are no NV characters in Shelter, my hopes aren't too high.

What do you guys think?

Bethesda hates having to establish what choice is canon and since FNV has so many different ones in it I doubt they'll want to touch it.

I don't think they'll reference it at all honestly given the time frame and I feel like Bethesda doesn't really seem to acknowledge NV's existence. There's merc armor in Shelter that resembles the Riot gear but that's about it.

That's true for Elder Scrolls, but we actually don't know if that's their philosophy with Fallout 2 - although it's a safe bet you're right. Nonetheless, that wouldn't keep them from referencing characters like Mr. House though. Especially since Mr. House is an alumni of MIT, the Institute.

No one's asked them about New Vegas yet, in the context of Fallout 4. What are people expecting Bethesda to say about it? "The last Fallout game that came out was a huge influence on us, because it was also a Fallout game that tried to improve upon the FPS and RPG mechanics, and incorporate features from popular mods."

It would be pretty criminal not to have some reference to House in the Institute.

It's more an issue of being able to realistically acknowledge events nearly an entire continent away when communications with that side of the continent are virtually nonexistent, and travel from the West Coast to Washington D.C./The Commonwealth can now literally take years (as we saw with Elder Lyons' branch of the Brotherhood).

I can definitely see Bethesda bringing up Mr. House at some point due to the MIT connection, but short of maybe having some sort of recently-established cross-continental air travel system in place, I don't think we're going to see too much direct acknowledgement of the events of New Vegas, but largely for in-universe story logic (not real-world political) reasons.

That said, maybe if the game's storyline is set enough years following both previous titles, there will have been enough time elapsed for refugees fleeing the NCR/Legion war to have made their way out to the East Coast, but we'll see. The East Coast Fallouts tend to exist in isolation, story-wise, from the West Coast entries, apart from certain common elements (the Enclave, the Brotherhood, Mr. House's cultural influence, etc.).

it depends on the when fallout 4 is set, all we know is that its 200 years since the bombs fell which is the exact same time frame as fallout 3. We dont know if its set at the same time as 3 or just after the purifier is switched on

Nothing.

Hence the word seems. I've never heard them ever say a word about NV besides pete hines initial announcement of NV being in the works so that's just the impression I get.

Maybe some slight ones, but it's west and we're east now, so idk how much impact the stuff that happened in New Vegas will have.

I can see there beeing a few nods though, but nothing major.

1 NV is to far from Boston.

and 2, all depend on the time setting, if NV happen on the future we wont hear nothing about it.

Mr. House should be mentioned but I doubt they even do that.

Fallout New Vegas takes places 4 years after Fallout 3. Fallout 3 "ends" mid-August of 2277. Fallout 4 takes place in 2277.

So at the very least the events that transpired in Fallout New Vegas will simply not have occured yet in Fallout 4. House could potentially be referenced as he made a re-appearence in 2274, three years prior to when Fallout 4 takes place. That might be enough time for news of him to reach Boston area about House and the renewal of the Vegas strip.

But for instance the first Battle of Hoverdam happend in 2277 and news of this major event and the push of Ceasars Legion probably has not reached Boston.

If fallout 4 is set in the same time period of fallout 3 (2277) (as i recall maybe Pete Hines mentioning it),the events of fallout:NV (2281) have yet to happen.

EDIT:Ninjad by terrahero.

Mr House definitely deserves to be mentioned.

But that's about it. The distance between The Commonwealth and The Core Region is far too great for any reliable communication, thus references to the events in the Mojave are very unlikely.

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Don't take that "200 years after the war" literally!!!

People asked for clarification if they meant 200 years or 200-ish years. Pete Hines was very clear, 200 years.

Until we see the exact date in game, NOTHING is clarified.

Pete's word means less than nothing.

During the reveal they said 200 years later, and through social media it has ben reiterated that it is 200 years.

That is the only evidence we have of any timeline. Now if you disagree then please present your evidence of the contrary.

In defense of 200 years "exactly": Word of Todd Howard, Pete Hines, and Codsworth, and robots are apparently "comically precise"; this paragraph is smaller, but these details are still heavy enough to throw it into question.

In defense of probably being more than 200 years: Bethesda's MO has always been to move the timeline forward, even to the point that they specifically told Obsidian that New Vegas had to follow suit; as far as we now, they haven't changed that philosophy to put it before New Vegas. Also, the advanced state of the Brotherhood implies that they've had more than just a few months to assemble vertibirds, an airship, and head to the Commonwealth, not to mention the safe guess that the Prydwen (named after King Arthur's ship) is led by Arthur Maxson, now an advlt. And as for Codsworth's 200 years line, there's a "200 years?" follow-up dialog choice to that, where Codsworth would presumably be more precise. If he was being comically precise, he would have mentioned the months, days, and minutes in addition to years, wouldn't he?

But honestly, I don't care any more. We've all derailed enough threads, haven't we?

I don't see a reason we shouldn't have a few references, like others have said, i would be surprised if Mr. House isn't mentioned. But we have to assume FO4 takes place after FONV. I recall in Fallout 3 you heard mention of Shady Sands and William Brandice was from Navarro. I think Jamie( dunwich building) father was a former ranger from the west...can't be sure without checking.

I agree. I believe the BOS airship is just Bethesda reusing ideas from previous games. Nothing to do with the MWBOS....just saluaging of ideas from prior games as they have done so many times before. I think the whole idea to use airships in Tactics had to come from Tustin AFB which was located just north of Interplay.

If the game takes place after New Vegas, which it might... I'd assume that Mr. House will be brought up at least in an optional conversation when we go to the institute. I think Mr. House was a nod to Fallout 4, as well as Fallout 4 will make a nod towards New Vegas by mentioning Mr. House. It makes sense, since Obsidian was given directions on what bits were ok in New Vegas, and Bethesda were at the early stage of making Fallout 4... that New Vegas would have hints in it, the same way that Fallout 3 did.

I hope so. That one picture of Mr. House with Liberty Prime in Boston would be enough for me.

Why does Bethesda never seem to acknowledge new Vegas? We all know every one at Bethesda probably played the hell out of it. We also know they used features from it and made money off of it.

Not mentioning it seems stupid to me. Pretending it isn't there does a disservice to fallout fans who enjoyed both 3 as well as NV

Because no one asks. Hell, the only times they mention Fallout 3 or Skyrim is when they're talking about their experiences making those games; they mention other franchises as influences more often. Bethesda's not snubbing New Vegas; they aren't petty. Again, what are they supposed to say?

Because

A. It's not their game.

B. They had very little to do with it.

C. They already said they played/liked NV when NV came out, so saying it now is pointless because it's already on record.

D. They probably want to avoid people complaining about them ruining Obsidian's lore or w/e. Same reason they avoided talking about the Midwest in The Pitt DLC for Fallout 3, despite the fact many large Midwestern cities are closer to The Pitt then D.C and Ronto are. The MwBoS is out that way, Tactics isn't their game, so they are going to avoid it because they didn't make it, and they aren't going to mess with other people's stuff.

E. As BOX MAAAN said, basically no one has asked.

Also, both the Elite Riot Armor from Lonesome Road, and the ghost people hazmat suit from Dead Money are in Fallout: Shelter. So they HAVE referenced NV slightly.