I agree 50/50 with what you're saying .The strip is pathetic full stop it's tiny little content and there literally more people in the 1 shack in India than there is in the new vegas strip it's a joke.And i'm a believer that a sequel or next game in the franchise should have a technical leap unless its pure laziness like mr houses yoga sessions or just quick cash.And i hate the reputation system and wearing armor disguises are you trying to say i could walk into camp mcarran being cesar's no1 fan and they don't even ask if i have my ncr dog tag and karma should be more prevalent more so than reputation imo.

I agree i actually liked that fo3 didn't take it's self to seriously.

1. Dont make comments like these

2. Lazy? Quick Cash? And you could did better? just asking

and what do you understand for "Technical Leap"?

I have a hard time trying to be nice to people that act rude...

Stop complaining...this is also not grammar class...and it never will be nor it never was.

Do i look like obsidian ?"And you could did better" did you recently have a stroke say that sentence out loud that you typed grammar Nazi .Ohh yeah i ate a burger that could of been better but who am i to criticize am not even McDonald's

Apologies for being OT, but I only just noticed this and have to say ta for that link, 'twas new to me and is an interesting read. I never knew J.E. Sawyer was such a (polite and massively patient) misanthrope! Top man.

Oh man I can't believe I paid ten-thousand dollars for this class. What the hell was that lab fee for!?

The video in your signature makes it even better.

I COMPLAIN!

Lol well you need a refund sir.

Ahem.

As he stated in his post. He is "hoping" the developers of NV come to the forums, to take "feedback" to try and make a better game. For one, if you're going to suggest ways to improve something, on a professional standard (Go at me all you want for being a 'grammer nazi'), then you should probably take into consideration two things::

1) How you format your complaint and/or suggestion

and

2) Make sure your complaint and/or suggestion isn't an eyesore on the general retina of the person reading it.

While I'm all for "lulcatz" "longcatz" and "deadbabycatz" on forums, i'm also not going to remotely take someone serious who wouldn't take the time to create a coherent post that others will read. (Also feel free to say "you don't HAVE to read it"). The fact of the matter is, he posted this in hopes a development team will read it and take his suggestions to help improve upon Fallout. However, not only is the developer going to see "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" after a sentence and shrug off the entire statement due to it, odds are they won't even READ the thing. One reason, I assume (Oh, why yes, this is a SUBJECTIVE opinion, don't [censored] your pants) is it shows a lack of self-control and maturity. This, inevitably leads to the developer not taking serious someones opinion.

By the way, I also have a hard time being nice to people who type incoherent nonsense that attacks a game based on the persons inability to understand "This is Not Fallout 3". This was never marketed as Fallout 3. Whilst this may take place in the same time, in a different place, this isn't Fallout 3. Otherwise, it would of been called "Fallout 3: New Vegas". I'll admit, I hated the game too. It wasn't Fallout 3, and due to which I refused to play it til of late. Then I decided "Wait... if this isn't Fallout 3: New Vegas, I won't treat it as Fallout 3:New Vegas. I will treat it as "Fallout: New Vegas."

I'd wager everything I have to my name to bet that, if Fallout 3 never existed, and Fallout : New Vegas was released instead, with the same amount of care (this referring to the odd bug which appear in New Vegas (Not referring to consoles. But no offense, you deserved it for buying an RPG for a console, which are notoriously bad for running) ) than I am more than certain everyone on these forums would be screaming out into the heavens, announcing their Fanboyism to the gods themselves, at how absolutely AWESOME this game is. I respectfully accept someones right to judge the game, and have their own opinions. But when your opinions are mostly based upon "THIS ISN'T FALLOUT 3. WHY ISN'T IT FALLOUT 3", then as far as i'm concerned, your opinion means less to me than a pimp's "moral" compass.

I bid you adieu.


PS:: Fallout New Vegas Rawks Mah Sawks
So does Fallout 3.
And Fallout 2.
And Fallout 1...

God I hope the next fallout game takes place in Canada. It'd be neat to see post-apocalyptic snow

Yes canon is story line history, history is real. Endings that r not canon fake. When you do not know which is real it should piss u off.

I say have the factions and choices and the non canon choices will lead to your characters death. Death is the ultimate consequence after all, but no this not good enough. You people will never compromise on a single thing. I ll laugh when fo4 is just like fo3... They banked on that game, and they won t throw it out the window so some people can look at different slides that don t mean jack [censored] anyway except the real ending. Which we won t know in nv for who knows how long........ its dumb to not know what really happened. Worthless..........

I say if people want to see the 'real' ending, go look at it on www.youtube.com.
I'd prefer having multiple endings. Makes the game worth playing through more than once.

I don t think you tube is going to tell us the canon endng. Unless ifs a Obsdian devs utube or Bethesda s utube.

For the 4th time the choices could still be there, but you will die at the end of not canon endings. Only one side can win choose, but the wrong choise will lead to the ultimate consequence death. There is no more of a powerful consequence than death. Or is that too much of a consequence? Only one side can win, waiting for who knows how many years to see who won is garbage and makes the game feel worthless in a way to me.

If you went to the movies and they showed you 4 ending, but didn t tell you which was the real ending you d want you money back. You would flip. You wouldn t walk out saying "well ghee I can speculate"

DUMB

I wouldn't put words in my mouth for me, thanks. I'd actually find it interesting as hell if a movie showed multiple different endings, and I got to decide which I thought was best. Or how I thought each ending would of come to that, based on the characters choices in the movies.

You will parish in flames.

Ya, god forbid anything creative leave mainstream... wait.. I forgot. Mainstream isn't creative. As a matter of fact, mainstream movies and music all seem to attract the same sort of people whom thought "The Avatar" was compelling, and people whom think Nickelback is an AWESOME band.

Anytime, anyone, game developers, musicians, directors, do anything to break the boundaries or steer off course even a little bit, throws half of mankind into an all-out war against it. I'm actually AMAZED that an entire country founded on the principal of // "THEY HAVE BIGGER dikeS? BOMB THEM" -- George Carlin // hasn't somehow turned tribal and decided skinning people alive whom defy mainstream.

Anyways. This thread is boring. If I wanted to deal with mindless atomatons, i'd go play Star Trek: Borg

I would never watch that movie unless some chick made me. Nickleback, though they do have a few catchy tunes r not the greatest thing since sliced bread. I ve never bought or downloaded a single thing from them.

Now, back to reality................Not having answers to the most important questions is not "cool" or "underground". It s just plain dumb, I can speculate a whole game, I can imagine whole movie or novel or video game, but I don t have the resources at my disposal to make any of them happen. (well a novel, but they are hard to write a compelling one)

Any way, point is why am I watching,reading,playing someone elses story, when I have to imagine their ending for them???? Why did they not just come to me and have me imagine the whole thing for them?

This isn t new or underground any way, some novelists think this great too. So I read 372 pages and I have to make up my own ending based on his story........ dumb. The guy shouldn t have started it if he wasn t going to finish it.

I still don't get your reasoning here regarding New Vegas. The ending you get is the ending of the story as per how you chose to deal with it. You don't have to imagine anything. What you did is what happened in that story.

So the Legion won, NCR won, House won, and I put a robot in House s place that was supposed to let me make decisions, but ran House s plan at the dam anyway without me being able to tell him a single thing? All that happen?.......... Not possible. That doesn t together some how.

I really don t know how to make it anymore simple. This is not our story, it is Obsidians story, and Obsidian must know who really won.

All those people can t win one struggle. Only one of them can win the struggle. I could care less who I think won or, who you think won, or who martyr thinks won. I want to know who really has control or the area. Obsidian made up the story therefor only they know who has control.

Who Obsidian says won is all that matters, but they don t say who wins................ Do you understand now Undecafindeed????

I'm giving the op the benefit of the doubt and assuming English isn't his first language.

I kind of agree with the 'shooter' mechanics comments. Obsidian have added irons sights, so it feels like a shooter, but as FO:NV is an RPG if you're crap at guns the bullets don't go where you're aiming anyway; so the FPS mechanics are slightly redundant. There's also the problem that none of the weapons have any real sense of weight or recoil, and the first person models aren't very good. The FPS aspect is a bit lacklustre.

My main gripe with NV (apart from the static world) is the plot doesn't give me any motivation to join any of the factions, or do anything, in fact, after surviving the head shot. It assumes you want to trail after Benny for 'revenge' or to finish your contract - get the chip back - but there's no driving motivation. Then the game assumes you want to join one of the factions and follow the main plot to its conclusion - again without a reason. Mr House is a dike, the NCR woman at the dam is a snooty [censored], Caesar is a dike, and Yes Man is flat out annoying. There's nobody to empathise with. If you were FORCED to work for one or the other groups, through a contrivance like the Dead Money collar, then OK, but I can't find any reason why a courier (a postman, basically) would get all patriotic for any of the sides when they're all so unlikeable. People hate the FO:3 plot, but at least finding out why your only living realtive has gone off and abandoned you is a motivation everyone can relate to. If I got shot in the head I'd just be happy I survved and then get the hell out of Dodge!

Well, it boils down to opinions of course.

So what if I *want* to join either faction, genuinely think they are right etc. for the sake of role-play? Hell, even Yes-Man is basicly independence with you ruling over Vegas.
Even that, it still means you have a choice as opposed to being forced into the whole, badly written BoS and daddy issue(that's just my opinion of course, I frankly don't consider this "forcing" as a strong motivation).

I have answered this Smert. I say you can rp, but if you role play a non canon ending you die at the end. So all the people who would really rather the story have a real ending would know what ending was canon. Then everyone gets what they want.

Yes man ran houses end game on the bridge he ruled you. You couldn t tell him 1 single thing after he was in Houses network. Yes Man was just dumb on top of dumb.

The frustration with the ending thing for me is unbearable. I would like that game more than I do if it just had a way built in to let you know the canon ending. It pisses me off more than Ceaser s Legion.

I also the fo3 main story was far better.

I got shot in the head by a 9 in fo? Is that it? Then cl scared me at nipton. nipton was sweet writing, but after I got a really good look at the whole situation of the area. I wondered where my options were to deliver packages again. cl was no threat the place is better off with house and ncr, I just wanted to go back to work.

Technically, the independent plunges the city in either chaotic anarchy or (Relatively) peaceful anarchy. The Courier taking over is just wishful thinking, about as far as the Courier gets to ruling New Vegas is being praised a hero. Personally, I think the Yes-Man route is sealing the doom of New Vegas as much as Caesars Legion would too.

@Rook- Yes Man IMO isn't a legitamate ending, it's just a cop out for people so no one 'breaks' the ending.

Why do you even care about this so much? Seriously, you're the only person I've ever seen complain about an RPG offering you choice. The reason that there will no doubt be a canon ending at some point is because it will be necessary for Bethesda, Obsidian or someone else to build off of it. It would be strange if we had another game set on the west coast, and the second battle of Hoover Dam was never mentioned... no? I mean, the war between the NCR and the Legion is a big deal, and the outcome of that battle would impact hundreds of thousands of lives.

One day New Vegas will have a canon ending, but that day is not today. There is currently no canon ending because at the moment no canon ending is necessary, so any of them can go. If you're really, really desperate to have it decided for you, Obsidian at one point said that they might go with whatever ending has the highest percentage on Steam, and as of right now that would be the Yes Man ending. Of course there's no guarantees, Bethesda and Obsidian may very well decide to make the House, NCR or Legion ending canon regardless of the Independent ending's popularity.