This is exactly the reason why I post on these forums. To show certain groups of forumites and dev teams that not everyone on their forum is an asskisser or a sheep who is stuck to a franchise.

As for the actual response, it's sad when you go from NV to FO3, notice the majority of the copypasta source code, and realize that they should have thought out an extra two to three months to actually figure out things don't work like they used to.

It's not like Morrowind to Oblivion, it's FO3 1.2 but albeit NV really doesn't offer anything improved over FO3. While I'm beating another dead mule with a rock, FONV is not a good working tool game that's not broken. It has a horrible amount of bugs. If anything, I've had a quarter of the amount of freezes I used to have on the Console Morrowind six years ago, and double the glitches of when Oblivion first came out. That's being generous for the consoles.

I just recently bought FO3 GOTY, and I love it more in the seventy hours of missions and running around than the five hundred hours I spent in NV. Thankfully this is very recent, and not when it first came out, because I've already been debriefed on how buggy it used to be. (still is in some parts).

would partially disagree with you. While we have four endings that branch out based on karma and someone's death (still four endings), the story itself wasn't that good. Wasn't horrible, but I'd be shot if I said I find Fable's story's actually better.

You really want to compare Fable with Fallout?



Hey, go here; Now go here; Now kill him; Now retrieve this; Now choose a reward or consequence; now go here; Now choose who to help; Now choose who to kill again.

At least it have more options that just kill them to end the quests

Still, the outcome to take control yourself is always a plus. Beats wanting to side with an enemy who will always want to shoot on site, and then kill the supposed faction you where work..wait you can do that in FONV. Never mind then.
I dont understand what do you want to say here

No thanks, no another Fallout like Fallout 3, be more like NV with what was good in 3, and deal

Oh wait,, a better idea, makes both companies work together

Its an opinion, but its also a call to action, no?

Really?

Yes Gizmo I can t just not know what happen for who knows how long. I hate anything that does not have an ending.

The canon ending needs to be part of the game, and all the other ending besides the canon ending you should die is my idea.

I care about the fo story, but I do not care if the old fos left you hanging for years on what really happened.

I don t think Bethesda will do that. I could be wrong, but I just don t think fo4 will go with no ending.

Yes Gizmo I have no clue about what happened. These are not little morality choices about towns, I don t know who wins out of the major players involved at the end. I can live without knowing about a town, but I played the game several times and know less than when I started.

Thats pretty vauge right????

Yes Gizmo I have no clue about what happened. These are not little morality choices about towns, I don t know who wins out of the major players involved at the end. I can live without knowing about a town, but I played the game several times and know less than when I started.

Thats pretty vauge right????

The problem with me is the same in Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood... Fallout: New Vegas is Fallout 3.5. You can say: oh but it's supposed to be like that. Yeah but it′s still a sequel. It should improve and progress.

Great, more FO3 fans try to trash the party

Fallout New Vegas is not a sequel, Its not made by Bethesda (though they did the Q&A work).
Its supposed to be like that.
Its not supposed to be like an FPS, and so further 'improvement' towards that aim is a detriment to it.

Fallout New Vegas was closer to the series as a whole than Fallout 3 was ~that's a good thing in the eyes of a series fan.

The series has always had a major strength in the way the games ended ~hence the ending in Fallout New Vegas... as any Fallout game should (as Fallout 3 did ~originally).

I disagree, Fallout New Vegas has alot of big settlements. Primm is big, NoVac is big enough, Goodsprings is too. Also, New Vegas is very huge.

Also, I strongly disagree with your opinion on reputation and faction allegiances. Faction favor/disfavor adds more realism to the series. While other New Vegas fans largely baw about karma, I like karma, I think both should be added equally.

I don't understand why there is so much hate against Mr. New Vegas. Just because he isn't some loudmouth DJ who uh, 'climbs the Lone Wanderers Washington Monument' if you have good karma, that suddenly makes him boring? :/ (I like both DJs by the way, but for their own unique personalities)

I don't see how it'd make sense if I supported NCR, wore their armor, and walked into the Fort and had a tea party. Fallout New Vegas provides a unique obstactle to few games today present, choice and consequences. Remember Tenpenny Tower and The Pitt? Those were the ONLY two things in Fallout 3 that provided real concious thought.

Don't get me wrong, I found Fallout 3 fun, but New Vegas is by far more compelling.

P.S.- there is a merchant in every town save Nipton, how is there 'to few merchants' :/

Oreo- I'm sure he meant celebrity voices. Celebrity voices usually take up more of the budget than the standard actor.

Did'nt take anything seriously after you said it didn't feel enough like a first person shooter second of all you say that what you do with another faction could just effect dialougue choices and not reputation ok what about this you make it sound like you could do heaps with the enclave in fallout 3.........no....just......no fallout 3 didnt have a deep plot it was a great game just not that good writing. Goodbye

I don't know how you played, who you chose to support and in what way, but I thought the endings were pretty clear cut. You did this, and this was the result. :shrug: The way they handled the endings made me want to see them again with a different approach. I mean, I haven't even done the Yes Man ending yet, and I'm still probably going for a Legion rerun next. It is pretty much in line, if not at times even better executed, with the original endings - which all were very clear.

Actually I dont think anyone thinks that is was supposed to be that way because it wasnt and, believe it or not, isnt. This game is not a sequel they are completely different, the only thing that this game shares with FO3 is the engine.

Now with that out of the way I'd just like to say that this game felt like a giant mess to me as well until I accepted that these games are two different games, by two different companies and to expect a game to be completely upgraded from its predecessor in the small time frame that bethesda gave obsidian to make the game, unlike AC:B, is completely unrealistic. So to make a long story short this game rules deal with it.



I dont get it either. To be honest I liked FO3 more than New vegas for my own reasons and yet these peeps feel the need to bag this game constantly, If they dont like the game why dont stay off this section of the forum?

Yeah but what I'm saying is there is no need for different questlines. For me, Yes Man and Mr.House qustline shouldn't exist... Two would be good, but why can't u just support the NCR... "Oh because Caesar's Legion is cool and I want to join them". If there wasn't that option, you wouldn't feel the need to join them. And you wouldn't even care about the endings...

I urm... don't get your logic.

I mean because *you* don't like it, Obsidian should cater to your tastes and scrap the whole faction concept alltogether?
How about people who actually want to join other factions? Don't be so selfish, dude.

If it were my world we could join all the factions we wanted, but we would die on the non canon endings the slide would show u dead . This way I d know the real ending in the next decade.

This is my opinion with game... If you said good things and I said bad things. I said what worked and what didn't work. And for if it's Fallout just be the same as it the predecessor. Like I said If it ain't broke why fix it?

I urm... don't get your logic.

I mean because *you* don't like it, Obsidian should cater to your tastes and scrap the whole faction concept alltogether?
How about people who actually want to join other factions? Don't be so selfish, dude.

Dude , This a RPG, multiple choice, actions,consequences, multiple endings (one of them will be canon someday) is something common, sorry if this wasnt you cup of tea, but it was for me, it was for others, it was for at least, most of the old fans who wasnt pleased with Fallout 3



Multiple endings doesnt work in that way, go on and do it if you are the developer of that game, but some of us want to "speculate" until the canon ending is confirmed, it was done wit Fallout, Baldurs Gate, Mass Effect, Dragon Age , and others RPG, both JRPG and WRPG, heck, it was done with NON-RPG genres too (IE Command And Conquer) its something common in some video games in fact
just because its doesnt appeal one part of the community doesnt means that they should scrap it for canon sake

You joined the BoS in FO3...

You have a very strange view on the term "if it aint broke why fix it?" because of the fact that, like new vegas, FO3 was broken in a sense when referring to certain aspects of the game. You liked FO3 more and we understand that but the fact is you are trying to bash a "broken" game and are backing up the argument by saying that its predecessor wasbetter and it didnt need fixing when in fact it was much more broken than New Vegas, once upon a time.

I loved the iron sight but it didn't quite feel like a FPS and that should be improved.

So why couldn't we continue playing...