They'd have to be animated, too much work probably.

Would be fun, but I'd rather focus my efforts on trying to convince them to put true spears in the game.

It'd be really cool if I could get a HotO flail in this game. Actually, if I was a dev working on this game I'd sneak in this item as props to other devs.

I want flails and I want halberds and spears to be brought back.

how the F can you hit someone with one spike :S

I was referring to someone else's quote about what he called a one spiked flail.



He was saying that this type of flail:
http://lacsknights.pbworks.com/f/Maces__Flails_Flail_2605_122.jpg

was more likely than this type of flail:
http://www.brutalrpg.com/images/Art_Gallery/Imperial%20Flail.jpg


I just didn't feel like correcting him so I just used his lingo.

These look cool, but animation and psychics might be a challenge. I honestly would rather them put spears in.

Flails are awesome hopefully they are in the game. If not maybe in a mod or next game!!!

This would be so amazing, I plan on using maces but a flail would just be perfect I want this in the game so bad now

Hehe, just give me a huge friggin morningstar that looks like the witch king of Angmar's little nukeball in lord of the rings ^^

I am totally in support of flails.

Flails are the awesomeness of awesome...And with a physic engine, the spike-ball should be free from any pre-made animations.

Besides the physics problem, the idea of blocking with a flail seems a bit odd to me. But they′re nice weapons

You don't. Most people use a flail in one hand and a shield in the other. They had a good example of this in the movie Ivanhoe. Watch this at 3:30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nw60rlm1VJ0

I'd much rather have Pole arms (spear/halberds/naginata) and a wide variety of swords (katana/scimitar/Chinese style swords)

Nice... and true, but every weapon in the game must have a blocking animation, even the flail, and I don′t seem to imagine how they would do that :shrug: it would look odd

I suppose they could choose not to do that, I don't know how you'd block with a throwing knife or a bow and arrow. :shrug:

Yea, and be able to block with barehands, in no armor....well, it's basically only achieved by Chuck Norris...

So Flails aren't Fails.

This is one of my qoutes from another thread so Ye Shalt Be Learned, As I've said before I am a Medieval Reenactor 12th- 16th centuries so I have more knowlage about these things than the layman.

"Why do people want flails?
the single handed flail with the morningstar on the end is a Victorian invention and in most cases they made the flails out of Antique maces just to keep the house looking as gothic and old as possible, "fashion" if you will.

The only flails used in battle were more like polearm nunchuks and were used by the peasents to thresh the wheat, when levied into armies the peasents took the flails because they realised that it'll hurt if you got hit by one.

The only Battle Flail that I know of is of Gasconian backround and is a 6 foot tall metal clad copy of the farming model. It was used by a local knight in battle against the French and he got taken hostage by a sergeant, the end."

Any kind of perks that people think would be good for Morningstars or Flails?

Your morningstar/flail strikes have a X% chance to stun your opponent for X seconds.

:hubbahubba:



Where are you getting this notion that every weapon must have a blocking feature?

It's the players choice to choose to use a weapon that has blocking or not. That's the whole purpose behind the newly designed combat system. You choose what goes in your hands. Shield and Sword or Sword and Sword or Two Handed Sword or nothing (Magic). You can't tell me your going to block with a bow and arrow. Or a dagger. Hell you probably wouldn't even want to block with a magic staff, though it's probably possible. This is why they included sprint and magic shields, stuff like that. This is not a good reason at all why a Flail shouldn't or couldn't be in the game. Nor is the so called animation troubles reason. Again do you think the Dragons and their Animations were as easy feature to include, No. But Bethesda was able to do that just like they would be able to do Flails.

I plan on dual wielding with one of my characters and if they did them right dual wielding flails/morningstars would be unrelentless and daunting to face. Always on your guard because one solid hit could break a bone or knock you unconscious. I'm sure a Shield and Flail would be more balanced and safer but dual wielding Flails is where it's at!

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Cool history lesson but that doesn't mean Flails are not a good weapon for a video game and people shouldn't want them in. Fictitious video games can do whatever they want really. Sure it does need to have a form of realism to keep you immersed but I don't see this as any reason not to have flails is all I'm saying.

If we're getting a new weapon, I'd rather have Bethesda spend time to implement spears rather than flails.
Although flails would be pretty cool too
Spears cooler still.

That video is almost scary. I could really see how a heavy spiked ball whipping around in the end of a chain could be a damn effective weapon. There has got to be another interesting facet in the fact that you are able to (if you have enough reach) whip the end around the far side of a shield to hit the backside of an opponent in what would have been an effective parry against a weapon such as a mace or axe. If flails did make an appearance, we'd definitely need to see something along http://www.steltercreativewoodworks.com/STELTER1/Witchking_Cost/IMAG0012.JPG.

Even though they were acting with fake weapons in the movie, you can see that the back of Ivanhoe's costume was torn up by getting hit around his shield.

Something else is that with a solid weapon, the vibration of hitting someone with it works against the user and wears them out. With a flail, that force isn't transfered back to the user, so their arm won't get tired nearly as quickly.

What about Dire Flails! :flame:
I remember someone mentioned a http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1170975-the-huthvir-yes-or-no/ well Dire Flails remind me of this badass polearm/morningstar/flail crossbreed of a weapon!

http://videoflashback.com/store/media/direflail.jpg

oh and more pictures of variations of this weapon type. Not just always a spiked ball.

http://www.greifensteig.org/images/articles/schlag1.jpg
http://www.greifensteig.org/images/articles/schlag2.jpg
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attachment.php?attachmentid=50830&stc=1
http://m2.paperblog.com/i/3/32289/armi-immanicate-da-botta-ii-il-mazzafrusto-L-8.jpeg

Agreed.