I wanted to know if there has been an actual information about the fate of New York. From what I've read there doesn't seem too be much on this area.

*Majel Barret Voice* That information is not available at this time.

In all seriousness, I dont think there's been a word written on New York, but I wouldnt expect it to be in a better state than DC.

Actually, considering how much New York is considered one of America's symbolic cities as the 'Gateway to America' as it where, I imagine it would have been a primary target.

No military or strategic value, but it's destruction would have had a devastating psychological effect.

Actually, nuking New York would have hurt the U.S. economy pretty well and, of course, the psychological effect too

Yep, and it's a decent port too. Nukola from here to Thursday.

New York probably is nothing more than a smoking crater, since it would be a primary target.

like the smoking crater Washington is? Fallout nukes dont turn cities to dust, they just trash some buildings and shove around some cars, so New York would prob look like Washington D.C.

Fallout 3, kinda [censored] up that part of the story, if you remember in the Classic Fallout's, cities were devastated by the war. I would think that NYC would be more like the West Coast.

New York was only mentioned in the Fallout timeline from the Fallout bible





I also believe that the Fallout bible mentioned two Vaults being there if i remember correctly. But im not 100% sure. Have to look that up.

New York wouldn't be totally wasted with nukes. With exception of WTC towers, buildings in New York are quite resistant to bombs and suchas.

LOL sure. Nuke resistant skyscraqers.


Even a small nuke of 30 kilotons would take out every skyscraqer and smaller building within its blast range. Either directly by the blastwave, negative overpressure or shortly after by the resulting fires and damage to the structural integrity. (See WTC)

But as the city is so huge it would only level that area and leave the rest damaged but standing. You would need several of them or a hydrogen bomb which were developed to take out such huge targets as a city with the size of New York. Such a weapon of around 5 to 10 megatons would completely level 95 % of the city.


Check out this old u.s weapon testing film which compares the size of the "Ivy Mike" 10 megaton fireball to the size of the New York skyline.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-cZnMfCtaY

The fireball alone would engulf one quarter of the island of Manhattan and thats not even the area that would be leveled by the blastwave coming from that fireball. For several seconds the temperature inside this fireball would be higher than that inside the core of our sun. (3 million degrees celsius)

Thats enough temperature for long enough to turn concrete into ash.


Also check out the portion Mike vaporized out of the Enewetak atoll. :nuke:



The end of the movie "The day after" gives a quite realistic impression of what the damage caused by such a weapon would look like : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7J8eMyK1DI ([censored] quality)

but now we are discussing how New York looks like in the Fallout 3 universe, where nukes dont pulverize cities at all.


remember them? i am replaying both of them for the 12th time now. but yeah cities in Fallout 1-2 are barely recognizable as cities anymore.

Ever seen L.A. in Fallout 1? (The Boneyard)

New York would be in a pretty similar state.

Ok, long post to follow but i hope its worth the read.


I think that , after Fallout 3, a future Fallout game should lead the player to some sort of place that better illustrates why civilisation and the USA as a nation were ended in the two hours of the great war. It should of course not be the main area of gameplay but a typical "point of interest" that shows a place that was REALLY badly hit in the war.

Maybe a place you can travel to just like Point Lookout.

New York would be a great place for such an example. It would surely be tempting to model a post nuclear New York full of its giant impressing skyscraqers without windows and one or two missing floors and a headless of Statue of Liberty and stuff but would that reflect why the USA and human civilisation ceased to exist ? No.

It would downplay the devastation of a full scale nuclear war just like the Capital Wasteland does without intending to do so.

Its understood that a Fallout game cannot take place in a endless flat glass crater for obvious reasons but the capital Wasteland should better not become a role model for all destroyed cities and places that may be part of a future Fallout installment. They should leave it as an example of a city that took a rather moderate pounding in the war.

Simply because the capital wasteland does not really fit the "humanity was almost extinguished" and "continents were swallowed in flames" part of the story. It just does not underline the message how devastating great war was that it was capable of erasing all achievements of modern civilisation for 200 years and that in just 2 hours.

The nuked Washington as showcased in Fallout 3 looks at most of its parts even less damaged than a german city like Dresden at the end of ww2.

Adams Air force base is still standing as a whole even as a primary military target.

The Pitt merely recieved a graze shot in the great war is still standing completely. It all together does not fit to the claim that "humanity was almost extinguished". It is more like "humanity recieved a bloody nose"

Of course there is nothing wrong with having exceptional locations that were only indirectly affected by the great war.

But what we saw in F3 with its new 3d world it introduced was a bit much of "these places were relatively lucky" exceptions so far and its time for a huge "OMG" place that really delivers the answer how the great war smashed civilisation and made a real recovery impossible for two centuries.


My Fallout New York as i would model it for Fallout 4 or whatever would barely be recognizable as New York at all. Thats the point.

- No ruined skyscraqers with the sun shining through their blasted windows as eye candy.
There would be no skyscraqers anymore. Every single one gone. Everything beyond floor number three would be gone. Maybe one or two exceptions like the Empire state building would have a few more floors still in place.

- No skyline of New York transformed into a little scorched eyecandy but a clear view out on the atlantic ocean that delivers the message :

"Something happened here, something that blows the mind, something that fundamentaly ended everything that once was, something that makes clear why nobody on the east coast recieved help from this once big city with its millions of inhabitants and all its institutions after the two hours of 2077, something that makes clear that there is no New York anymore"

- No still standing Statue of Liberty with just her head and arm missing. Only her feet would still be in place, a part of her torso sticking out of the ocean next to Liberty island, the rest gone without a trace.

- Most of the gameplay with all its settlements, survivor communities, inhabitable buildings , factions etc. would be located in the outskirts around the city.

The city center would be a wasteland of its own , made up of mountains of rubble, plains of concrete ,steel rubble scattered with the remains of cars and barely a street still visible or passable.
Most of them buried forever under millions of tons of rubble.

Most gameplay locations inside the city itself would be located under the surface in the subterreanean remains of buildings, metro tunnels etc.

The outer parts of the city would have a little less debris , showing signs of people scavenging building material for their little towns and communities from it over the last decades.

Meaning that the "New" New York made up of all its little town is being built next to the city rather than were it used to be before.

A bit like the city of Cairo that was largely built with stones scavenged from the pyramids.

ok lets not give any terrorist's ideas now :nuke: hehe

So it's a best guess then. I first asked because I had been working on an project involving "Altered Americana". In it I created Central Park as a sort of primordial jungle. Given this and my level of addiction towards fallout. I started to wonder what the city would have looked like. I think Bethesda would be insane not to use NY as the site for Fallout 4. The area is left untouched by canon, so it's basically a blank slate, as far as design choice and story go.
I'd love to see what happened to one of the greatest cities in the world as the next fallout. I could just imagine it; traveling down what's ever left of Broadway and being ambushed by marauding Wall St Raiders. Or facing off against a flock of mutated pigeons, FEV devolving them into something like the ancient terror birds, naturally. Even just seeing the remains of Time Square, that is if they didn't cop out and use the "left untouched excuse". would be a truly amazing scene. I doubt there could be a better representation of a ruined world the that.

By NY I assume you mean the island of Manhattan. As neat as it would be to see the crumbling skyline, I think it would be a real pain to navigate the city. One of the major complaints that I kept hearing when FO3 was released was how annoying it was to traverse the downtown DC area and being forced to use a subway tunnel to go 3 blocks; a game set in Manhattan, I fear, would be nothing but subway travel.

If the game is gonna be set in New York state, I would rather it be set in upstate New York where there are tons of military bases and really remarkable landscapes. As a former native, I would love to see Seneca Army Depot and it's famous White Deer after 200 years of unchecked radiation and scavenging. Maybe a mission at the remains of Niagra Falls or a BOS base in Ossining's Sing Sing prison. Bethesda could even keep it's passion for Lovecraft and stage a mission in Tarrytown (Sleepy Hollow). The most I would want to see of Manhattan is maybe a Pitt styled DLC, but definitely not the whole game.

While it would be could be cool to see all NY state has to offer,Coopers town comes to mind for me. I don't think it'd have the same impact as traversing the ruins of NYC itself. If such a game was ever produced, Bethesda would have to make a fundamental shift in designing the land scape from F3. They got by with DC since there was so much more to create outside of the city itself. Segmenting DC was the only to cram all the good bits into the game. The NYC needed would have to be completely explorable. The city would encompass the entire game, with the exception of small sections of mainland. NYC has so many landmarks to it, taking a trip down the subway to get around would be a horrible mistake by the developers. And destroy what the game could be.