I'm really hoping that Bethesda is holding off on making ESV for the 360.
It seems like we've pushed the system to its limit. Not much more can be done with it (Graphics/Memory/Processing)
So if ESV really wants to top its predecessor the way ESIV did ESIII than they'd have to wait for "xbox 720"
It would be nice to have the game run on a new engine also, riding on a horse is brutal in ESIV.

The only different thing it seems like they could do is make ESMMO. Which could be good. But could also be really bad.

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(Wishes)- Xbox 720 is unveiled at e3
- Natal is 720 add-on (they tricked us!)
- Elder Scrolls V is announced as a launch title for 720
- 720 is also time machine

I don't really care for graphic advancements as long as the game itself is good.

I've always though of the Elder scrolls as ground-breaking, the level of detail is insane (especially ESIII). I'd like there to be more of a jump than there was from Super Mario to Super Mario 2.

Red Dead Redemption would like a word with you :stare:

Oblivion was being developed before anyone knew what the 360's specs would be. That's why Oblivion looks less graphically advanced than most current-gen titles (lack of shadows for example).

Graphics have been discussed many times over the years, and its safe to say that with the new engine overhaul Bethesda has just completed, TES:V will look as good as, if not better than, recent releases with an open-world approach. See Red Dead Redemption and Just Cause 2 for inspiration.

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You're going to be hated by a lot of people for suggesting that anything good could possibly come out of an Elder Scrolls MMO, I think, a lot of people here aren't too welcoming to that idea.

But only time will tell if Bethesda plns to make the Elder Scrolls V for the next generation of consoles or this one, but considering that none of the next generation of consoles have been announced yet and we have no idea when we can expect to learn about them, unless they're announced during E3 I don't see any way we can expect to get the Elder Scrolls V any time soon if it's not going to be developed for current consoles. On the other hand, if it was developed for new hardware, it could have more potential, and I don't just mean that the graphics could look better, though they definately could, the greater memory capacity of a new console could also potentially allow for larger, more detailed worlds and a game that has much more content, however, I doubt that any game released on launch would fully take advantage of the capabilities of a new console, if Bethesda develops the game for the Xbox 360 and PS3, on the other hand, they would have the advantage of working witrh hardware that has already been tried and which they have also had experience working with, potentially delivering a better programmed game. Of course, I would probably go with the PC version anyway, but since I suspect that like with Fallout 3 and Oblivion, Bethesda will make future games cross-platform games from the start, as opposed to being developed for PC first and then ported to consoles like with Morrowind, whatever the consoles can do will likely effecy what Bethesda does with the PC version.

Got Red dead the day it came out, beat it in 19 hours. lool

and thankyou, i think i like it here

I realize, it doesn't exactly mean it's going to svck tho. WOW is gay tho so it might. I trust bethesda tho

I don't see the concern, as it is the hardware of current gen consoles is being under-utilized. As far as hardware goes there's no point for TES V to wait for the next gen of consoles, right now any lack of details in the games should be primarily attributed to the software not the console. So I don't see why Bethesda should wait, all they need to do is re-tool their engines to work better with current gen consoles, which they were already working on before Fallout 3. Plus there's no reason to wait, Microsoft already announced that they aren't planning on releasing a new console for sometime, that's the reason NATAL is being developed, the idea is to release NATAL so that the next gen of consoles can be postponed.

Also why does everyone get concerned about a whole TES MMO thing. I don't really see a threat since a HUGE following of TES players is on console now, and last I knew PS3 doesn't really support MMO's and Microsoft refuses to support MMO's on the xbox 360, it'd probably be a waste of time. Plus that's not Bethesda's bag, if it was being developed it would be by Zenimax in all likelyhood.

Bethesda Game Studios wouldn't make the MMO, though. BGS does single-player only. If a TES MMO would be developed, it would be developed by Zenimax Online.

I wouldn't say they are completely single player. They are working on Brink! I'm pretty sure they are developing and not just publishing it. That's an online FPS.

I did a quick search on ps4 and xbox. I dont see them comming out any time soon (maybe in ~5 years is my guess)

So, I have a good feeling TES:V will be on current consoles, but it'll be OK as Darkstorne said. Noone wants there to be a minimal difference in IV and V, im sure the devs realize this and are doing everything they can to upgrade and optimize.

No they're not. They are just publishing it.

As long as a tes mmo doesn't interfear with or replace tes5 then I don't really care about it. Some people might enjoy it.

If they announced the next xbox at e3 that would be cool, but I don't see that happening. I wouldn't mind being wrong though. If tes5 was going to be a next-next gen title, the beth would have to have the info on the next console right? Maybe we should ask them if there is a new xbox coming out soon. lol.

I mentioned this earlier before as well. In my opinion waiting for the next console would be the best idea for a true sequel to elder scrolls IV. First, every game thus far has changed greatly with each installment so it makes sense. Second, if we get the game now it will not feel as awesome as it would on later consoles no matter how much people say graphics dont matter it does. I really believe that a new elder scrolls game on the 360 would be great but it juts wouldnt have the full effect that the next game deserves. Also in comparison to fallout III and New Vegas, i looked at the trailer for new vegas and it honestly just looks like fallout III with new skills. I dont want it to be like like that with ESV, I want it to be astonishing, groundbreaking, totally different, and beautiful. the best way to achieve this is with the next gen.

Really? Oh, sorry then. My bad.



There's really no point in waiting around for the hardware to get better it won't make much a difference. The technology constraints right now are mostly software based, people make a big deal about hardware upgrades with consoles, but in all actuality consoles really get under-utilized and are usually released more or less as a marketing ploy to compete against other console developers, not always but usually.

Just publishing it...
Anyhow I EXTREMELY doubt it would be a Mircosoft exclusive. I can't find the link but if I remember correctly after the release of Fallout 3 that Todd Howard was sure there was going to be at least one more developed game from Bethesda for the currant game consoles.

Yah but im pretty sure even if it fully utilized which it prolly wont be, it still wont be a drastic improvement. I dont want to hear ESV is just oblivion with different stuff, I want it to be the next ESV.

I would really not like for it to be a MMO. Endless grind does not sound fun. In my opinion, it sounds like a job.

I actually hope it's developed for this generation. Graphics don't matter, and besides, if you play on PC you can fix 'em up anyway.

No, but what I'm saying is the console doesn't make the game. I could crack Super Mario Bros and play it on my xbox 360, but it won't make the game any better than it was for nintendo. Plus developers at least know what they are working with when it comes to current gen consoles. If they were to work with next gen consoles this early on then they would have to scale back the resources any game might use to what current gen games use anyways. They could solve this by waiting until they knew the specs of the next gen consoles, but by that time they'd have already had enough time to where they could have made the next TES game on current consoles.

Anyway, I don't know that Bethesda is making the next TES game yet, but I'm pretty sure they've started on it. Since Microsoft has stated that they have no intention of releasing any information on a new console any time soon, it's a safe bet that any new console they have lined up wouldn't be released for a solid 2+ years. So I don't think that Bethesda has the intent of a next gen release.

Graphics matter to Todd. He said so himself and both Morrowind and Oblivion looked pretty good when they were released, so I'm pretty sure that we can expect TES V for this generation to be pretty, if Bethesda learns how to optimize. Delaying TES V just for next generation consoles is ridiculous, though, in my opinion.

Graphcis matter to a point. But not to the point of delaying the game waiting for new hardware. As you said, if they release it for this console, and care as much about graphics as Todd says, then they just need to learn how to optimize it. The 360 can handle some astonishing looking games.

Xbox 360 being pushed to it's limits? lol?
This is news to anyone who knows anything about anything. It's definitely not being pushed to it's limits hahahah.

Not with Oblivion at least. Gears of War 2 and Crysis 2 are about as good as it's going to get though. I doubt TES:V will be much better looking than Red Dead Redemption seeing as it's an open-world game, which is much more taxing than a shooter like Crysis 2.

Yes, graphics are important, especially with TES games as Todd Howard has made clear. He also stated that his company has spent the better part of a year overhauling their engine since Fallout 3 was released. We're in for some big graphical improvements even without a new generation of consoles.

Natal and Move are designed primarily to convert Wii players to more advanced consoles, not so much to delay the next hardware generation. Micro$oft and Sony want a slice of the 'casual gamer' pie. I guarantee that the '720' and PS4 are being developed behind several 'very hard' locked steel doors, and could be unveiled as soon as next year's E3. Don't believe their press honchos saying that nothing is in the works. MicroSoft's game plan when they first released the Xbox was to lose money on the first 3 generations of their console in order to secure a solid fanbase, simply because they have the money. That's why they get exclusive and timed DLC for Oblivion, Fallout 3, GTA4, Modern Warfare 2 etc. If Sony says 'no PS4 for at least 5 years', then Micro$oft are thinking 'Great! Open market for us!'

Just because Todd says graphics are important, doesn't make it true. It's an opinion. In my opinion, graphics don't matter. I would be happy if TES V looked like Morrowind, or even Daggerfall, as long as it had solid gameplay, lore, and whatnot.