my 360 did RR out on me.
but i did but nore hours on it than youd need to get a pilots license.

the problem isnt even really the design of the 360, in most cases whoever they used to solder the BGA's with picked poor solder.
It happens.


i will not go by a survey taken by one game magazine though.

Feels like a little confusion needs to be cleared up here. :facepalm:
The old model/old generation 360 unit yes had a failure rate of over 50%. I think you people are confusing those with the new models. Because yes, there is a huge difference. New model 360's do not have a 50% failure rate, and that is what I have been referring too. No one cares about the old models though, we all know they were a piece of trash. Most people own new ones simply because their old one broke.
What more do you want, though? They made some crucial mistakes on release with the old models. They fixed 99% of the problems though. Being a console elitist is fun I heard. I heard Sony never made mistakes. lol@sony.

What will you go by?? What other methods do you have apart from a survey?? Microsoft is not likely to release failure rates.

definately not a survey that could be biased for any number of reasons, thats for sure.

im sure thres truth to it. but im not gonna take it as fact.
even if it were something that i believed in moreso.

Could be biased, but GI is pretty well known and trusted magazine, so I can't see them publishing a wildly biased survey. I suppose it could be, but I'm inclined to trust it, especially after how many experiences I've had with broken Xbox's.

Fix'd.

thats cool and all, but they are still getting that data from people.
we all know how console players like consoles that arent their brand and never talk smack about them. know what i mean?

i just dont take sureveys as fact.

That's a bit outdated, http://www.xboxexperts.com/news/xbox-360-console-failure-rate-report-2011/ is a bit more recent.

That pretty much proves everything Iv'e said this entire thread, thanks.
Old units - 50+% failure rate
New units - vast improvement ridding itself of almost all issues.

Did you not bother to click the second link or read either of the articles?



When did you say that you were only referring about current generation Xbox's? [I only read the last page, so you could have said it earlier]

Last page.

Yes, you claimed that you weren't talking about the old gen Xbox's when the 50% was shown to have a credible source. Did you ever state that you were talking about current gen Xbox's before that.

No I don't know what you mean. If you're implying I'm console bashing, I've had both an Xbox 360 and a PS3 (both at the same time) and now i have a PC. So :shrug:

According to http://xbox-experts.co.uk/news/xbox-360-console-failure-rate-report-2011/ posted, 2010 still had a 40% failure rate. That's still huge after 5 years. Adding in the consoles sold in 2011, that's still a pretty high failure rate overall. And if you don't believe surveys then there's no point even trying to argue as you'll just dismiss everything. There really isn't an alternative apart from surveys to finding out this sort of information. So, not really sure what you're after.

I didn't initially state it because anyone with a brain would realize that. Who buys old unit 360's..? Legitimate question to you. Are you not aware they stopped making those years ago..? You can't even buy them anymore unless it's secondhand.
So uh, why would anyone argue facts against an outdated broken machine? Shall we talk about the Sega Dreamcast next while we're talking about relevant consoles?
The new 360 model is the standard, and it is vastly improved. Surveys do not specifically target NEW model 360's. Some may, but most don't. So a survey saying as of 2010 360's failure rate is still 40% is irrelevant due to the fact that it's still factoring in peoples old models 360's who have not yet RR'd or just haven't upgraded to the new model.

Point being, new models failure rate is no where near 60%, and since the new model is the standard, you cannot accurately argue a 360's failure rate being 60%, because that is a false statement.

No it's not, because even though people can't buy the old models anymore, there are still plenty in circulation.

Naturally. But what's the point of this argument if we aren't talking about new models, from a consumers (as of right now) standpoint? The consumers (as of right now) cannot buy a model of 360 that has a 60% failure rate unless you buy a used one or at a yard sale. In which case, joke's on them.

So when the new 360's were released everyones old ones were magically updated too? Neato. Could you please find a source that says the new model is the "standard"?

Because there are still millions of original models that people still own? Fixing a problem doesn't erase it from happening.

When you have 2 things, one that works, and one that doesn't most of the time, the one that doesn't is no longer made, the one that does readily available..?
Are you even being serious right now, or purposely lacking any form of common sense?

http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&q=standard&hl=en

Could you please cite somewhere where it is clear that the average Xbox 360 owner has the newer version over the older version?

It doesn't matter which one is the "standard". You said the 60% failure rate is a false statement, when most of the 360's out there are the old model.

Obviously it's not going to factor into your purchasing decisions like it used to, but it is not a false statement. (the actual percentage might not be totally accurate though)

Most 360's aren't old model Because those all died. They are most likely the model right before the slim. They also had a largely decreased rate of RRoD

You mean the Elite? That still has the RRoD.

It's kinda hard to compare the "rate" since there are no actual figures involved, only speculation.

Oh, well I've never gotten the RRoD on mine, neither have my friends. just their originals.

Whatever the specific rates are and regardless of the problems fixed with the new slim (Can anyone provide an accurate failure rate for the slim? I was thinking of buying one eventually, as they're getting pretty cheap.), my point was simply that the 360 came out, and remains in the case of non-slim versions, a bit of an unreliable platform. If my only choices for next-generation consoles are to accept some abnormally high failure rate or wait several years for reliable slim versions of said consoles, I'm not too sure I'm all too keen about next-generation consoles. The point to this is I'm wondering about what you think we can expect from next-generation consoles in terms of reliability. How large do you think they will be? My PS3 slim is most certainly larger than my PS2 slim.