I believe the next step for the NCR (story wise) is civil war. While talking to a lot of soldiers and citizens in NV I've found many of them are upset at the current government. NCR can't even keep it's own land free of raiders and can't seem to enforce any law in New Reno is extremely violent and crime ridden. The NCR is also overreaching itself so many of the newly integrated citizens would be even more unhappy its been described as a bully when it comes to getting land. Its not that I don't like the NCR I just think that this is the next most obvious step and is probably more interesting than say "OH NOES A WAR WITH [insert faction name here] WE ARE IN TROUBLES!"

What do you think?

My legion character will come in and kill them all.


This is fact


Death to NCR

This is true they will loose everything. I believe they will lead to more wars the world cannot handle. And I mean

TAX

They are fools for doing that I mean go back to California before you hurt yourselves NCR. I know they need it to pay troops but its just silly the Legion run better then NCR if you read up on them and live among the Legion life could not be better.

Unless you get killed by them…

Invading the Mojave was probably the worst mistake.

Well according to Dr Hildern or whatever his name was who sends you to Vault 22, the NCR will be facing a massive famine soon.

Seems like ripe grounds to spread the seeds of dissent.

Hmmm... I forgot about the mass famine thing maybe the NCR will just break up.

I like the idea of a civil war.. perhaps a coup which leads to a militant martial law state? rationing? figureheads drunk with power, while the downtrodden citizens form an uprising?

Civil war is probably right, but honestly we probably wont see the NCR again in a Fallout game until at least Fallout 5 unless we see another cannon spin off like New Vegas, which I hope we do btw. Fallout 4 is probably going back to the east coast or the mid west to wrap up one of the two Brotherhood storylines.

If the NCR would look at things logically (which Kimball and his cronies don't seem likely to do) they would consolidate instead of continuing their expansion, and play nice with the FoA in order to stall or outright prevent the famine. Make peace or at least a cease-fire with the BoS in order to reduce the combative drain on resources, and spread Vault City's knowledge of food production techniques throughout the NCR. If the Shi have developed safe fishing methods, spread that to all coastal areas as well. Study the Gecko, Vault 15, Vault 13, and Vault 8 reactors to learn how to build new ones in order to deal with power shortages. Secure the borders, and strengthen the rule of law within them.

Only after that is done should the NCR even think about further expansion. Of course, Kimball and friends are too greedy for that.

Kimball's a idiot, honestly I hope the cannon ending for NV is he either gets killed at the dam or impeached after the war with the Legion.

The NCR may be flawed and reckless sometimes. But there are two endings fir them at the end if new Vegas either they get pushed out of the Mojave or the take it. In the former they'll be forced to stay back and strengthn the area they already have or they the later where they got enough of a scare from the legion and won't advance anymore. Either way they learn their lesson a bout over expantion. And if they take Vegas they get a boat in the economy. They survive and come back strong.

Probably.

I don't see an NCR civil war. This notion that NCR can't protect it's own people it total crap. The Mojave does no reflect what is going on in the rest of NCR which is huge. The Mojave is having troubles for many reason.

1) NCR can't bring troops in from Northern Nevada because of the divide and has to send them around the Mountains the long way.

2) Powder Gangers caused the building of a rail line to a stop. So troops and supplies have to go in by foot or caravan.

3) NCR did not go into the Mojave expecting to fight anything as powerful as the Legion. They just thought they would run into tribals and from what we know the Mojave was full of tribals. Only person of note was Mr.House.

I can see some small rebellions in the territories but not a full scale civil war. The troops in Fallout New Vegas are mostly pissed off at not being able to fight a real war against the Legion. Insted pencil pushers are telling them to just contain the Legion. Everyone likes to [censored] about their boss and leaders from time to time. There is nothing in New Vegas that would imply the army would turn on one another. Troops are proud to be NCR, they just want to fight! Leaders will not let them. That and it is hot as hell and they are dressed from head to foot in leather armour.

Vault City will be free!

I'd personally like to see an NCR civil war ending in a communist dictatorship I mean we've never really seen a communist state in the wasteland in the series.

While I personally like the idea of an NCR civil war, the Bear doesn't seem too close to a civil war in New Vegas. Unless they add that in with some DLC, I think there should be a game showing us two distinct factions in the NCR forming, then let the civil war commence.

I'd rather not see a DLC about an NCR civil war I think that would make it go under appreciated. But a lot of people talk about the high taxes and many other people in and out of the NCR know about the corruption. So yes Styles everyone likes to complain about their boss sometimes, but is your boss throwing you into needless wars, putting heavy taxes on you, and expanding without considering the homeland? Sure I understand that some of the troops were upset that they couldn't just go out and fight, but then again some of the had legitimate concerns about the higher-ups.

Actually, isn't it already said that there a revolutionarys operating in NCR territory? IIRC Samuel Cooke was one of them.

Well he was more of a terrorist really wasn't he? It's not like he's looking to install himself or anyone else whom he thinks might do a better job, he's just a criminal trying to topple the NCR.

What about the Ranger cheif? He was extremely upset about how the NCR had been operating as of late.

The over riding theme of Fallout is "War, War Never changes.

To have wars you need societies and cultures. So then that theme above can be interpreted as Society, Society never changes.

The NCR is recreating Empire. Romans, Mongols, English, Spanish, French, they all tried the Empire model. It always ends the same. The powerful few try to take as much for themselves as they can and leave as little for everyone else without them having a revolt. They all try to grow infinitely, which is not possible. Once their respective growth requires the same resources, like Hoover Dam, well you get war. If not this path, then corruption and greed lead to internal civil war. It has always happened this way. Ever since we started settling into cities and having agriculture.

Expect the theme to continue, it's a reflection of all that has gone before and of all that is to come. It's why I like fallout games so much, they are more about human social values than most realize.

Humans, Humans haven't changed. Not yet anyway.

So as far as the NCR goes, if in canon they win the battle at Hoover and expand further, and their story gets told further in future games. Expect a decline. That would be good story telling within the over riding theme.

Civil war sounds possible. NCR is not exactly "stable" from what I hear from its citizens and the fact they need so much help makes me question if the heads of NCR are really thinking of long term goals for their civilization or for more personal gain. NCR is just a replica of the Old World America (from my point of view at least), and replicas never last as long nor are they as good as the originals they try to mirror.

Here's the thing, what happens to the NCR really depends on what the cannon ending of NV is, if the NCR ending is cannon then I doubt we'll see civil war in the republic any time soon, after all why would we they'll have won the was and with the income their getting from Vegas it should help to fix the economy. Now if the House ending becomes cannon then I think there's a really good chance the NCR will go through a civil war, either that or a all out collapse but since the NCR is the biggest faction post war to date and the most civilized then I really cant see the devs taking them out of the picture.

The people complaining about the Taxes are the people of the Mojave. They went from paying zero tax to having to pay Tax. We don't know what the tax burden is. I live in Canada and it's 41% of my total income will end up in goverment hands one way or another :banghead: So as soon as the people of the Mojave have to pay any tax they will complain.

I wouldn't even call the war NCR is fighting in the Mojave as a war. I would see it as a police action. NCR isn't trying to fight a war against the Legion. They are trying to contain the Legion. It isn't working very well but the pencil pushers seem to think it is.

The some troops have a beef with the way things are going but they arn't ready to turn their guns on their own nation. They know the threat the Legion is and they see what they are doing and yet their leaders will not give them the means to fight and win. People are being drafted and that can cause some people to talk bad about the war and government but this war isn't a pointless war. They arn't across an ocean fighting in a jungle nation they never heard of, they are fighing in NCR's backyard keeping their neighbor on his side of the fence.

The threat of a Legion invation will keep the the people willing to fight. If anything a Legion Cival War is far more likely. If NCR has a crappy leader they can vote him/her out when time comes. Legion only have one leader and when he dies there will be a power vacuum. People follow Caesar because they fear him and only him.

I meant a DLC foreshadowing a civil war. A DLC that shows how disgruntled people are. At the end, they could declare secession from the NCR. Then in Fallout 4 (or whatever the next game will be) the secessionists grow into a full rebellion.