Nirn.

Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:35 am

Are there other planets besides Nirn, that may host civillizations? And since Nirn is "infinite", does that mean that there can be another realm on Nirn, vastly different from Tamriel?
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:20 am

The only other plane(ts) are the daedric realms. They may host other civilizations (think Shivering Isles) but if you mean other planets with humans or human-like creatures on them then no. For more info you may want to look http://www.imperial-library.info/astro/.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:18 am

What about something different on some far off location on Nirn? And why are there no other planets?

That link was about constellatios, so not very useful.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:21 pm

Well we got http://www.imperial-library.info/akavir/index.shtml, http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/other_lands.shtml.

And here is a usefull http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml for the Planets.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:41 am

So Nirn is finite in size? Meaning that if you sail long enough, you'll eventually do a round-trip around Nirn?
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:52 am

So Nirn is finite in size? Meaning that if you sail long enough, you'll eventually do a round-trip around Nirn?


That is indeed what a finite sized sphere implies.

You might also want to check the astrology page again. At the bottom there is some info about the Orrery's showing the Eight God Planet(s).
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:32 pm

Well we got http://www.imperial-library.info/akavir/index.shtml, http://www.imperial-library.info/pge3/other_lands.shtml.

And here is a usefull http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtml for the Planets.


They aren't planets, but different continents of Nirn, like Tamriel.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:10 am

the response was to locations ON Nirn.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:01 am

Yes it indeed it was to his questions about the locations on Nirn that wasn't Tamriel as well as a note for his question about the Plane(t)s.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 1:59 pm

Basically, Nirn can be considered a Planet as opposed to a Plane(t), because Nirn is the only finite plane(t). Am I right in this assumption? Unless mortals register the other plane(t)s as finite spheres, but the Cosmology book seems to imply that Nirn is ACTUALLY finite, unlike the others.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:20 am

Don't lean on the terminology, it's not that strong. The http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtmldescribes Nirn as both the Mortal plane and mortal planet. So even though it's finite, it's still a plane(t).

Anyway, the difference between plane and planet isn't all that relevant. It's all just an impression on the mortal mind. So get your nose out of the grass and look for something bigger.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:15 pm

Don't lean on the terminology, it's not that strong. The http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/cosmology.shtmldescribes Nirn as both the Mortal plane and mortal planet. So even though it's finite, it's still a plane(t).

Anyway, the difference between plane and planet isn't all that relevant. It's all just an impression on the mortal mind. So get your nose out of the grass and look for something bigger.

I have a few reasons to disbelieve your point.

Nirn is special and different. It is of the mortals, while Oblivion, Aetherius, and the other Plane(t)s are of the divine.

If the sky is merely a mortal perception of the divine, then why are we to expect that a mortal perception of that which is mortal would be "wrong" or "smaller" than the "truth"? Surely, we should rather expect that the Daedra and Aedra have trouble perceiving Nirn!

This is actually not unsupported. The Daedric fear of sleep discussed in Battlespire, and the amount of fascination the Daedra seem to have with the goings-on of humans. Even the Aedra seem to have a certain level of fascination with the human plane, though expressed differently. Can't we only assume that this is due to the mortal plane being something intriguing to them?

I think the difference between Planet and Plane(t) is relevant, actually. To our perception of the make-up of the universe.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:16 am

The word plane(t) simply shows that there is no difference between a planet and plane, and to remind us that one word is a derivative of the other. I'm not sure why or how you are using it.

And I don't regard the Aedric planets as being livable worlds like Nirn or Oblivion Realms, but that's just my impression. Anyone agree?
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 4:01 am

The word plane(t) simply shows that there is no difference between a planet and plane, and to remind us that one word is a derivative of the other. I'm not sure why or how you are using it.

And I don't regard the Aedric planets as being livable worlds like Nirn or Oblivion Realms, but that's just my impression. Anyone agree?

That's exactly how I'm using it, sort of.

Basically, I'm saying that Nirn's mortal properties keep it from being infinite, that it isn't finite only due to some mortal illusion or stress....as the rest of the observable universe is.

It is still a plane and planet, I suppose. But a small one. Not in the same way that one infinite body can be smaller than another, but in the way that things are actually smaller than other things when they have finite size.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 6:46 pm

If you took a spaceship up to Akatosh, it would be a finite ball as well. It's not an optical illusion, it's magnitude is simply in a language that mortal existence doesn't understand- a golf ball that is infinite in another dimension. The planets are infinite because the massive mind of a god isn't a shape, and Nirn is just a bunch of gods working together to create a collaborative divinity. It's different in that. The Ehlnofey are infinite values too.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 2:18 pm

If you took a spaceship up to Akatosh, it would be a finite ball as well. It's not an optical illusion, it's magnitude is simply in a language that mortal existence doesn't understand- a golf ball that is infinite in another dimension. The planets are infinite because the massive mind of a god isn't a shape, and Nirn is just a bunch of gods working together to create a collaborative divinity. It's different in that. The Ehlnofey are infinite values too.

I understand that the Planets in the sky are finite when experienced by mortals. That much is fairly obvious thanks to our Cosmology book.

However, I doubt your "Collaborative Divinity". That is, that Nirn is just a mash-up of Dvine forces.

I think we can see this in the reactions of the people. Why is Lorkhan sometimes seen as a sinister trickster? Because the creation of Nirn forever separated the "descendants" of the divine from divinity.

The Aedra and Daedra are CONCEPTS, and thus infinite. Nirn is special, however, in that it IS a thing. Not just a concept that is speaking in the language of things.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 8:50 am

I'm confused.

If a plane is infinite in size, that would mean the plane in question is everywhere at once. Then you say that one has to "travel" to this plane, despite it being infinite in size.

And isn't a something being infinite AND finite at the same time a logical impossiblity?
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 12:21 pm

You have to remember that this is a fantasy world, I mean "Walk like them until they walk like you" is how you Mantle a God in a very simple term.

Everything is possible.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:47 am

The Aedra and Daedra are CONCEPTS, and thus infinite. Nirn is special, however, in that it IS a thing. Not just a concept that is speaking in the language of things.


... and that's what I meant with getting your nose out of the grass.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:55 am

I'm confused.

If a plane is infinite in size, that would mean the plane in question is everywhere at once. Then you say that one has to "travel" to this plane, despite it being infinite in size.

And isn't a something being infinite AND finite at the same time a logical impossiblity?


It's always the same, eh http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zeno%27s_paradoxes?

:D
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:25 pm

... and that's what I meant with getting your nose out of the grass.

Wha?

I'm just saying that Nirn is not infinite and also finite.

The Daedra? The Aedra? Oblivion and the Aether? Yeah, those are "bigger". But I have reason to believe that Nirn and Mundus are not.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 5:48 am

The size of Nirn is less than infinite, which is to say what?

The size is a non issue.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 10:54 am

The size of Nirn is less than infinite, which is to say what?

The size is a non issue.

I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:21 am

The size of Nirn is a non issue.
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Post » Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:21 pm

The size of Nirn is a non issue.

How is it a non-issue, though?

Our understanding of what Nirn is gives a look into the relationship between the mortal and divine planes. It tells us about the make-up of this universe.

How is that not relevant?
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