So, i've been reading up on my new favourite province, Black Marsh (specifically the Pocket Guide to the Empire, 3rd ed), and i've become very curious about the non-Argonian races (formerly) native to the region.

There's a little info on the Kothringi and Orma, but I can't find anything on the other humans- the Yespest and Horwalli. Is there anything at all out there describing them?

In addition, i'm curious about the Barsaebic Ayleids and the Cantemiric Velothi. Mostly because i'm unsure what "Barsaebic" or "Cantemiric" means, but also there's the fact that the C. Velothi are referred to as Velothi, instead of Chimer or Dunmer. The usage of "Velothi" confuses me a little, since if i'm not mistaken, the Ashlanders attach a slightly different meaning to the word. It's been ages since i've played Morrowind, so i'm not totally sure, but what were these Cantemiric Velothi, exactly? Altmer, Chimer or Dunmer (some kind of Ashlander, maybe)?

Finally, my Ta'agra is a little rusty, but I find the Lilmothiit very, very interesting. The "-iit" suffix implies that they're related to Khajiit (the Pocket Guide suggests a relation too), yet they're supposedly fox-like. Are they another breed of Khajiit, born under a certain phase of the moons, or are they separate to the Khajiit of Elsweyr, with their own variety of forms? (Or do they even have other forms at all?)
Then there's the fact that "Lilmoth" doesn't sound particularly Ta'agra-ish at all. There's a town called Lilmoth in Black Marsh that I presume they're responsible for building, just like Blackrose.
Since "-iit" means something along the lines of a job or a home (according to an interview with Jobasha), and "Khaj" is "desert", I'm guessing "Lilmothiit" means "one from Lilmoth" (the most likely translation) or "one who Lilmoths", but i'm confused as to what exactly "Lilmoth" means.

It certainly doesn't even sound very Argonian in origin (same goes for Blackrose)!

Uh, so if anyone could help clear up my questions, it'd be greatly appreciated.

The Kothringi happen to kick ass. I don't think most people know that http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/watergettinggirl.shtml is one of their stories, or that it describes their culture remarkably well. If you'd already seen it, my mistake.

Beyond that, I only know that Barsaebic is an awesome word.

I've actually never read that. Very interesting.
Would I be correct in assuming that Orylon was a talking Welkynd or Varla stone (he calls himself a Welcome Stone which seems to be remarkably similar to "Welkynd" in the translation, and same goes for "Verily Stone")?

I find it interesting that they worship Dibella, Mara and Kynareth as The Mothers in the Around-Us... those Nine Divines are finally pulling their weight!

And the talking tigers... I wonder if they're Khajiit or just fairytale talking animals?

EDIT: Another thing I noticed in The Water-Getting Girl- the character is Perrif, named after the Paravania- http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/adabala.shtml, is Alessia the Slave Queen. Correct me if i'm wrong, but could the first Emperor have been a Kothringi? (Or, could the Kothringi simply believe she was?)

"Barsaebic" and "Cantemiric" are probably nothing more than geographically/culturally influenced names, given to them so they'll be more easilt separated from their namesakes when talking about them. Though, as I think of it, "Cantemiric" sounds a lot like "Cantemer-ic".

As for the Velothi.. The short story is this: "Chimer" was originally the name of the Aldmer who listened and followed Veloths teachings and philosophies. "Velothi" is the name given to the Chimer who followed Veloth when on his journey towards Morrowind. Not all Chimer did, and as a concequence, there are still Chimer living in Summerset to this day.
From http://www.imperial-library.info/obscure_text/nu-hatta_nu-mantia.shtml#8:


The "Cantemiric" Velothi probably separated themselves from the major group of Velothi, and perhaps they differed in their opinion on Veloth's teachings, on their way towards Morrowind. Instead, they travelled south, into the Black Marsh. Perhaps, and the following completely lacks any evidence or grounding, their leader was called Cante (Cante-meri Velothi, get it? :frog: )
Though I'm just letting my thoughts stray. "Cante" sounds awful as a name for an elf, especially an Altmer, and I still favour the geography stuff.



Lilmothiit does sound very Khajiit-ish. It is possible that they shared the same culture, or at least were very close to each other, but I do not think the fox people are another breed of Khajiit.
There are a few, and quite unreliable, hints that there were once a lot more beastfolk in Tamriell. Except for the Akaviri beast peoples, we have the birdmen and "early orcs" from the http://www.imperial-library.info/obbooks/father_niben.shtml. Father of the Niben has several factual errors, though, and can't be trusted, but I like the thought of Birdfolk ruling Cyrodiil. Especially when you take the Ayelidi obsession with birds into account.



The part about "Lilmoth" could just come down to that "Lilmothiit" were another race, maybe with a slightly distinguished culture, but still related. You're most likely right that "Lilmothiit" means "one from Lilmoth", and if I were to guess, I'd say "Lilmoth" translates into something like "swamp", "djungle", or something else Black Marsh-related.

As for Blackrose, and the other places like it, I'd say it's just an Imperial translation of the original name. Or perhaps more likely a renaming.

Sounds like it means "from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barsaive", though.

I honestly had no idea there were still Chimer around. I'm guessing that gameplay-wise, they're no different to Altmer though.

Ah, Father of the Niben. Love it. I wonder what the birdfolk were called? Also, I wonder if they're related to harpies?

Good points with the Lilmothiit stuff too.

Probably not. Except they might be a bit shorter, or less "high".
We don't know how intertwined they are with general Altmer culture. If they for example have lived outside of Altmer communities, and for example do not practice selected breeding like the Altmer do, they might look a lot more different that otherwise.


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