I'm not really acquainted with how anything that isn't straight is dealt with in the Elder Scrolls universe. Is it viewed in the Westboro Baptist way? Is Tamriel a more liberated society in this respect? Do certain nations have their own view on the homo/bi-sixuality concept?

This is really just something that had actually been running through my head ever since I saw those http://pnmedia.gamespy.com/planetelderscrolls.gamespy.com/fms/images/mods/7663/1247198007_thumb.jpg in Morrowind.

One word name: Vivec. He'll bang just about anything if feels like it (including, but not limited to, men, women, and Daedra).

From what we know, the Tamriel is cool with bi/homosixuality.

Crassius Curio was a character who was initially written as a woman, and has dialogue specifically for male PCs. Since he was changed to a male, this makes it rather interesting. At least I think that's the explanation.

Hehe, I don't think bringing Gods/Cosmic Entities into this is much of a solution.

I was actually wondering about public opinion. I haven't exactly run into anyone I'd consider even bi-curious in TES, and I've (admittedly) looked very hard.

Buoyant Armiger are said to be Vivec's lovers, and they come in both male and female. Since Vivec (almost?) always appears as a male, its an example of homosixuality. Crassius Curio hits on both male and female characters - which him originally being female does not explain. Viranus Donton is implied to be homosixual. Thats all I can think of at the moment. I take the fact that these are not remarked upon as evidence of bi/homosixuality being normal and accepted (hence, not worth remarking on)

Seeing as Crassius is a pretty prominent and flamboyant kind of man, I'd assume it's pretty accepted, then.

Vivec –although being of both genders – takes Molag's 'spear' up his 'second aperature'

http://bethblog.com/index.php/fanart/?album=2&gallery=3

While the Sermons do suggest a relationship between Vivec and the first Armigers, I haven't seen much evidence that it's much more than a military order now. Unlike the Hands of Almalexia, who almost never leave her side, the Armigers are spread far from Vivec City, and only the higher ranked ones would likely meet with Vivec at all. To be fair, however, the war with Reman, the Kamal invasion, the emergence of Dagoth Ur, and the resurgence of Daedric cultists ruins have made it necessary for Vivec to spend his time and resources differently.

Oh, and their major and minor skills do not include "spear"

From what little we know of Clavicus Vile, he doesn't seem opposed to "non-heterosixuality" so long as its only to excess.

I always wondered about the acceptance of homosixuality amongst the Dunmer, since, obviously we have Vivec's spear biting, but also the assertion that it's "forbidden", although "still practiced in secret". So, one sacred text presents as divine example, "forbids" and implicitly condones male/male feilatio in the same sentence. So I always wondered what the official Temple line would be. Is it a m/m thing (in which case, they don't comment on the second aperture penetration!) or just a general thing against feilatio, whatever the gender of the participants? Considering what the Tribunal get up to, I would have expected the Temple-Dunmer to be pretty lax about sixuality, but they seem pretty uptight in practice - the censoring of the Real Barenziah, for example.

Personally, I tend to put it down to different writers, and the constraints of a Teen-rated game, rather than trying to make everything internally socially consistent!

? Thought that would be Sanguine.

But were they constraining things to keep it T rated? They didn't seem to care much for that when they made Daggerfall.

Well yeah, exactly, the Barenziah passage was uncensored in Daggerfall - and according to the current Bethesda website, it has an M-rating, which these days in America is considered a Very Bad Thing for sales, since many shops won't sell it. I don't think the situation was the same when DF was made.

So, why the change - to portray Dunmer society as prudish, or so as not to risk an M rating - your guess is as good as mine, maybe a little of both, but I lean towards the latter. But this is going kinda offtopic...

I didn't see any questionable Vivec pics there, but I saw one of Dagoth Ur looking faaaaabulousssss.

Umm... It's the advlt only rating that most stores won't sell. The M rating sells perfectly well in the states and I don't know of any stores that don't sell games with M-ratings. You pretty much have to be making porm games to get an advlt only.

Kateri - I don't think its male/male feilatio as much as it is feilatio in general, since it lead to some pretty horrible things. Likewise, the censoring of the Real Barenziah always seemed more like a political matter (showing the queen as sleeping with an unworthy animal - and liking it) rather than a matter of sixual modesty.

As to the M rating, I have no idea where you're getting it from. Everyone sells M rated games, and M rated games sell fabulously. See the best-selling Fallout 3 and Oblivion, from Bethesda alone.

Played right into it.

Ah, I was about to make a topic like this.
Well I think that its like Jade Empire, or Dragon age, where "Non-Heterosixuality" is present but people do not make a big deal over it.
I though Viranus Donton was "Non-Heterosixual" when I read his journal, and if I remember correctly Crassius Curio made my orc kiss him, or was it get naked for him, eh I don't remember.

Most likely both. Kiss for nerevarine and naked for Hlaalu, I believe.

Not gonna lie or mince words. Crassius was the best lover I ever had. I don't think anyone will ever compare.

Haters gonna hate.

Ah, ok then! Must've got the wrong end of the stick (not-US here!)

Whoops, got my gilded, fabulous immortals mixed up!

A common dilemma.

One of the drawings of Martin from the link made him look hot O-o
Speaking of Non-heterosixuality, How did that hat make you think of it xD.
Oh has anyone tried that mod from Morrowind that lets you experience Non-heterosixual romance?