A noob's questions about Chim

Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 4:09 pm

Hello everyone I had a few questions about Chim. Let me apologize in advance for being too lazy to look through the forum, but if anyone can answer my questions please.

Question 1: Is is there a possibility the school of magic known as Mysticism has small connection to Chim?

Question 2: Was there a possibility that The Tribunal was tapping into Chim through Lorkhan's heart without realizing the world around them is a dream of a Godhead?

Question 3: Was it possible that Xarxes was once mortal and became a god through Chim thanks to Hermaeus or even Auri-El?

Question 4: Are all the Aadra & Daedra Aware of Chim, and that the world around them is a dream belonging to a higher being?

Question 5: The magic the psijic order uses in Skyrim seems far to amazing, do the monks know Chim?

Once again I apologize If these questions have been asked a multitude of times I just got off a long work shift and fishing for different answers throughout this forum doesn't seem appealing.
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Josephine Gowing
 
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Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:54 am

Of the first query, I answer with an emphatic yes. Mysticism is that most dynamic of Schools. Silently uniting other discplines with its patterns and being without definate form-of-practice. Proficiency in its utter mystery is necessitated in pursuit of such metamagicka feats as attainingKingship.

The other questions are best answered by others, I'm sure.
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Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 1:34 am

Not exactly an answer but I feel like it would be good to add that knowing of CHIM doesn't neccesary mean Knowing CHIM.

Question 2-3-5 my answer would be propobly no.

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Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 10:14 am

In addition to my initial post, in reference to question 5.

I believe the Psjiic Order is aware of CHIM, as a Velothi and ultimately dunmereth Idea.

I know the Psjiic have an equally fathomless process, possibly with different outcomes.They are all masters of mysticism. Admitedly they consider it to be the paramount School.
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Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 3:34 am

I'm gonna answer which of these I can. I will be making reference to a number of out-of-game texts, since the metaphysics and the character of Vivec (as written by MK) is heavily expanded outside the game, 36 Lessons excepted.

Mysticism is related to CHIM generally because CHIM is a part of a mystic (esoteric) system of belief. Mysticism is all about secrets, self-power and various hidden potentials of magic contained within the self and the universe, to describe it very vaguely. And CHIM, or any of the states similar to it, can be seen as the crowning achievement of such a study: complete rule of the self that manifests magically upon the outside reality.

Xarxes I don't know about. While there are plenty of myths about him, I don't think they occur in connection with CHIM or the Tower. Although he has a connection with Thief symbolism, like Vivec, via Arkay the guardian of the Thief constellation.

Aedra may not be aware of CHIM because they may not be aware of anything at all. It depends how literally you take their "death" at the convention. However, they seem to manifest bodily on occasion and interact with us, so it is possible they have a knowledge of it on the level of mortal scholars. It's important to remember that in Dunmer faith, Aedra represent all the laws of the world that should be overcome: CHIM is probably rather at odds with Aedric belief. The Daedra, however, have much more of a connection, based on the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/loveletter-fifth-era-true-purpose-tamriel:

This section is talking about the creation of Oblivion through rebellion, and Liberty, which is basically how CHIM is characterized in the Loveletter. This isn't necessarily talking about CHIM itself, but rather the general push towards transcendence and victory over the Aurbis. Also, CHIM is the title of a section in the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/mythic-dawn-commentaries, connecting Nu-Mantia and CHIM with Mehrunes Dagon.

As for the question about Lorkhan: well, it's interesting to note that Vehk believes Lorkhan didn't achieve CHIM, as stated in http://www.imperial-library.info/content/vehks-teaching:

While Lorkhan's power and revelation certainly paved the way to Vivec (or rather, ALMSIVI as a whole) attaining their god state (possibly the same thing as CHIM), it wasn't as a result of them directly copying him. However, as for whether the Tribunal knew about the immateriality of the universe during the strange events of Red Mountain: well, Vivec claims they were well prepared, in this section compiled from the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/trial-vivec (http://www.imperial-library.info/sites/default/files/forum_archives/Trial3.htm):

And the reference to Magnus certainly suggests arcane knowledge about the nature of the Aurbis, since he's one who escaped it (or part of it).

There is a sort of connection between CHIM and the Psijic Order, but it's not a direct one. Vivec speaks about this, again in the Teachings, where the difference between the Psijic Order and the Endeavour is noted:

See at the end the connection of the Psijic Order to all these other mystic orders, but the Endeavour's difference is enforced. The Psijic Endeavor can be seen as the path towards CHIM or godlike awareness in every part of the Dunmer history, from Veloth onwards to the Tribunal. The Endeavor is described later in the text, along with CHIM.

Don't worry about asking questions. There's plenty of new answers still to be got.

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Post » Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:08 am

For question four, Molag Bal was the one who taught Vivec about CHIM, and Hermamus Mora definitely at least knows of it, due to the fact that he knows everything. Other than that we don't know for sure if any of the Daedra or Aedra know about CHIM, although I would assume most, if not all of them at least know the basics.

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