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Nords... pansies... whaaaaat?

It's possible that the Nords lived longer before Orkey ate their years.

I think the Greybeards are lying about it taking so long to learn shouts. Yes, I think the Greybeards lie about a lot of things as part of their philosophy, including how the Nords got the thu'um in the first place, and how it's taught. They can gift you their knowledge of a shout and though immediately learning it is only possible for a dragonborn, that would speed up the process tremendously if they were willing to do the same for others. Even if it did actually take them years and years to learn a shout, IMO it's only because they're holding themselves back because of their belief that you have to use it "rightly," i.e. for worship of Kynareth.

Back then they respected magic, not feared it. Many of the Nords today are too soft. I don't blame them though, its been pretty peaceful compared to the days of old.

They only hate/fear magic because the amount of bad things caused by magic users.

And to my knowledge, they haven't done anything about it.

They do go on the occasional genocide though.

I'm not so sure. It says Wulfharth was able to return them to normal, and even before their lifespan wasn't changed, they were just turned to kids.

Their fear of magic is greatly exaggerated. They have court mages, priests, guards don't mind it and even encourage restoration and make small talk about the other schools. They only freak out when lightning is in their face, which is, you know, normal.

The only places where they really freak out is in Winterhold, which is expected, Morthal for whatever reason, and that one bartender in Candlehearth hall. Nords as a whole likely don't fear it, but they as a people just don't look on it as favorably as others, and wouldn't respect a mage over a good old warrior.

Eh, I believe I read somewhere that the Jarls only have wizards for advice should magical trouble arise.

Still, it isn't right for some to teach others to hate magic (Korir).

That's the same as saying if the Bosmer all assume their "Wild Hunt" form or if the Redguards regain their Ansei abilities, it would be possible for them to conquer Tamriel.

There are a couple of races with lost devastating racial abilities; Nords included.

I do find it amusing when the guards ask me to conjure them up a warm bed.

Amusing because I would expect them to vilify conjuration magic. I guess that leaves the Redguards as the most superstitious.

Like I said, considering the great collapse and how fishy the college looks perfectly in tact minus the bottom of the bridge, I think its to be expected.

As for the court mages, what else would they do? Point being, mages aren't feared and witch hunted like people seem to think. The guard dialogue's the biggest proof to look at.

Definitely.

Destroy maybe.

You forgot to include Galmar and his talk about "those witch elves".

Anyway, you might debate on to what extent they reject mages but not dismiss it almost entirely with "it just isn't their favorite thing".

It isn't necessary to find a great number of npcs openly hating mages in all cities. The fact that Beth tried to get the idea across by including dialogue that mentions it in the game is enough.

I think the Thalmor hate comment is a pretty poor example. Obviously some distrust it and some fear it, but the Nords as a whole do not.

Haha, true.

You saw how remnants of it was enough to wipe Atmorans & Orcs out of Hammerfell.

Not at all. I said other, not all lands.

When you refer to a man as "that black bastard", that means there are two things you hate about him. That he's a bastard and black.

When expressing his anger at the Thalmor, Galmar refers to them as "those witch elves" meaning the fact that they're mages is among the reasons he hates them.

So what, you need every single person in Skyrim (or most of them) to have dialogue showing distrust of magic for it to qualify as a trait of the Nord people in general?

It's like saying "Ehh, I don't think that eating moon sugar is particularly common among the Khajiit. I've only seen two of them mention it."

I'll give you the first one. Galmar distrusting magic isn't a stretch anyway.

However, there's equal, if not more examples of Nords being just fine or indifferent to magic. So no, while I don't need every single person to say it, I also don't accept it as a truth for all Nords due to two areas being distrustful in all of Skyrim. One of them for a very good reason. It is a stereotype and over exaggeration. The guard dialogue is likely there to show that.

Yeah, you have a point because when an army of shouting Nords ran up red mountain the Dunmer was not having that [censored].

Well, the Nords had a history of beating on them, so its about time.

Not to mention they were ganged.

I never argue with a fact.

Edit: Ganged?

Why not, only a few individuals would master it anyway. It takes a while though, so the Thalmor argument is on the long term - kind of like an arms race/cold war type thing.

You'd need at least a generation, but two would be more reasonable, in order to have a decent pool of shout masters.

Pretty much. I don't expect the great war to come as quick as people think. Soon for them and soon for the Empire doesn't tend to be my kind of soon.

Quick question about sword singing. Was it a privilege of a few, or any Redguard could've learned it provided s/he could find someone who would teach it?

Chimer and Dwemer. Pretty much no one would beat that combo.