So, should Nords regain their honored Storm Voice? If so, how? Perhaps (if Ulfric is alive) he could start a new Tongue College? Not really many ways to do it I suppose beyond that unless we as the dragonborn teach it.

And would you trust them with it? We need every weapon we can get to fight the Thalmor, and this is a question for any Civil War ending. I think the legion could use some uber Nord thu'uming shock troopers eh? Counter the Cathey Raht.

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Not common people. Just some warriors. Also, if you think Nords would use it for conquering more territory, which is likely, and you don't like them, there is a both option further down.

Nords using the thu'um as commonly as they did in the past = more belligerence from them just as they were in the past.

Big Ol Nope, especially since we don't have the Dwemer to keep them in check anymore.

Was the Thu'um that common back then?

Yes, yes, yes and yes your music is good.


I'd like the Thalmor threat to be extremely dangerous so the Dragonborn and/or Greybeards are forced to teach the Thu'um to win the next great war.

No, thats why I put quotation marks around it. Still not a rare thing though.

That's what I wonder, I don't think it was ever "common" just more Nords knew how to use it then they do now. Could you imagine a drunken argument if the thu'um was common?

I do not think it should just be "common usage", as the whole reason the Graybeards espouse their philosophy is because of the danger of misuse.

HOWEVER, I do think the Graybeards went too far with their philosophy, for they now don't apply the Thu'um at all.

There has to be a medium.

Lol, the translation failed. It was supposed to say do you think my voice is sixy Dragons dont have a word for sixy I guess, lol. And lol, voice is just thu'um so I all around failed.

it says do you think my music is mate? So i said it's good because that stuff on your profile.

Yea, I just checked it. The draconic translator isn't quite all there yet, lol.

I see. I just don't think it be a necessarily good thing for the common joe to be shouting.

I would prefer those who would actually face the Thalmor in battle to be taught the Thu'um.

That's my instance on this.

No, yes, and obviously yes.

Though...

I will agree to this. To an extent. I don't mind a few remarkable individuals who show that they can control themselves, learning the Thu'um. But teaching it on a wide-scale is like giving a caveman a nuclear weapon.

I'll put that in the op. Yes, it would be warriors, people meant to fight. But the thu'um takes a long time to master anyway, so already it wouldn't or couldn't be common common.

I made a both option especially for you

I wouldn't trust people like Rolff with the Thu'um but only those who are going to war.

Ah, good. I was unsure of that option. Thanks for the clarification. *grumpily changes vote*

Pretty much this for me except for the Dwemer part.

If a lot of Nords got the Thu'um they are just going to go back to trying to conquer other lands I.E. act a lot like the Empire that half the Nords now love to [censored] about so come ES 6 I'd be sending a lot of Nords to Sovengard if they acted that way.

Yes, with caveats. The Way of the Voice is supposed to withhold use of the voice except in "True Need" to avoid rampant misuse. The Greybeards went along with helping the LDB beat Alduin, as stopping the end of the world definitely qualified. Would fighting off an invasion of Skyrim/Tamriel by the Thalmor qualify as True Need? I'd say yes. An invasion by the Nords/Empire of Alinor itself? ... maybe not so much. What qualifies as true need is definitely subjective. I agree with Madcat though, the Greybeards seem too rigid on how they apply true need.

Edit: Also, something that just occurred to me. The ultimate arbiter of the Way of the Voice is Paarthunax, who's still out and about somewhere in Skyrim trying to recruit dragons. Unless the LDB decides to intervene, Paarth and any dragons he's won over would be very capable of enforcing 'their' version of true need.

You're only ever going to have a few elite individuals be able to do more than http://www.imperial-library.info/content/minutes-lusty-argonian-historical-society with it, so an unequivocal yes. There should be an order of Tongues once more. The Thalmor are just an illustration of why it's necessary.

Nah, other nations like Alinor would see it as a threat and use the situation as means to attack the nords even more, it would bring more trouble than its worth. the nords are already tough on their own anyways.

I'd say go for it on both. Most races have some sort of superpower they either seldom or never use or have lost. I'd like to see each of them come back in some form.

Cyrodiil forged the empire as its own power(And then promptly let it fall by the wayside over the past 200 years)

Nords no longer use the thu'um

Redguards have lost much of the art of sword singing (If you think Shouting is OP, try sword techniques that literally cause nuclear explosions)

The dunmer had the tribunal and Lorkhan's heart

The argonians had the hist's genetic modification and hivemind abilities

The altmer employ dawn magicks

The bosmer have the wild hunt to fall back on

The orsimer, khajiit(Though if they ever figured out how to manipulate the moons, there'd be some serious trouble), and bretons(Unless adamant tower has weapons, which is unlikely given they never used it in daggerfall, I know of no breton superadvantage) got kind of shafted though.

Speaking of regular Nords using the Thu'um... it's interesting to see at what rate they can learn it in comparison to the Dragonborn.

Ulfric is around 50y old and only knows two Shouts: Disarm and Unrelenting Force.

The Greybeards are much older and thus have mastered a greater number.

But the ancient Tongues... they were young and yet they knew a fair number of Shouts. Were they just far more talented than the rest?

It's impressive that at that age they had already mastered Unrelenting Force, Clear Skies, Frost Breath, Dismay and Dragonrend.

Ulfric stopped learning after he joined in the great war. If he never left he'd either know more or just be more proficient. Or both.

The Nords back then were serious and respected everything. Not like the pansies of today.