Normally friendly NPCs are suddenly hostile : V

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:52 am

My char is attacked by Uthgerd the Unbroken when entering the inn. It http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim_talk:Uthgerd_the_Unbroken that is not THAT uncommon and while I can "fix it" by using setav aggression 0 and disabling/enabling her, it seems to be a deeper issue as my char was attacked by Talsgar the Wanderer just a while later (and I'm pretty sure she would be attacked by Irileth if entering Dragonsreach). Does anyone have an idea what might cause this annoying issue? And how to fix it. My char hasn't done anything odd and has no bounty. Everything has worked completely normal from the start to Lvl 5, which my PC is at now. I've tried starting over from an earlier save - but Uthgerd attacks then as well. I had a similar issue with an earlier char that was a somewhat odd custom race, so I thought it had something to do with that then, but my current char is a plain Nord so that can't be the issue this time. Also, my char has been in the inn at least twice before this happens and both times Uthgerd behaved normally.

EDIT: Here's my load order if someone sees something suspicious, but one of the reported cases on UESP was on PS3 so perhaps it doesn't have anything to do with mods. No idea, really:

Active Mod Files:

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» Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:29 am

have you murdered any npc without getting a bounty?

sometimes I get attacked by city guard, Talsgar and Uthgerd for murdering npcs without being caught.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:04 am

Nope. My char has 2 Assaults but 0 Murders. I've also tried talking to a guard in case it was some kind of odd, "hidden" bounty - but they react normally.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:06 am

I think the Assaults might have caused it. where the assaults on animals or people.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 1:31 pm

No idea. I've always thought the assault count is rather odd (in Oblivion as well) as my chars are almost annoyingly "good" and only kill bandits and other NPCs/animals that attack. In short, my current char has only killed bad guys, but I guess she has killed two of them before they were in attack mode or something like that.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:22 am

try getting a bounty then paying it or going to jail. that should stop them.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:49 pm

That seems to have worked. Knock on wood. At least Irileth won't attack when entering Dragonsreach after attacking a guard and paying the bounty. The last time it happened at least Uthgerd and Irileth attacked immediately on sight.

EDIT: Yes, I loaded a save made just before entering the Bannered Mare and getting attacked and instead my char attacked a guard and payed the bounty before entering - and now Uthgerd was her usual cool self. Thanks for the tip! :smile:

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:30 pm

OK... so assaulting people, while not counting as crimes, is still not appreciated by certain NPC's. That's useful to know, didn't know that... :thumbsup:

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:25 am

It can't be that alone. Or if so, it must be a certain kind of assault. All my chars have some assault counts, but this has happened only twice over c. 10 play throughs. Thinking about it, it might have happened a couple of times beside that. During one game, NPCs from Populated Cities etc. became hostile. That was fixed by removing those mods. And another time my char was suddenly attacked by citizens in Riverwood when fast traveling there. Not sure if it was the same issue - but if it happens again my char will just slap a city guard to try to fix it.

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:04 am

Hmmm... ok... but at least we have learned this work-around trick then... It's a great game and we love it, but sometimes you really are left wondering.... :huh:

» Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:00 pm

I believe this could also happen when you start as a bandit from the Alternate Start mod.