even better that's my favourite number ^ ^

If they say they added much more individuality to the dungeons, I'm going to try and have confidence they will be. I'm sure some will seem familiar, but I just hope they learned from Oblivion.

A bit off topic: I hope I can wear the helmet the Draugr is wearing or that there are many more historically inspired Viking helmets with spectacle guards...

Oblivion only had 3 types. Forts, Alyied ruins, and caves/mines. Skyrim will have Forts, Dwemer, Nordic temples, icy caves bult into mountains, ect.

Exactly. Morrowind's caves could be all sorts of things. Regular caves with either monsters, bandits/smugglers/slavers, summoners or something else, but also egg, ebony and glass mines, grottos with sea creatures, Sixth House bases, etc. Lots of variety possible by placing the right objects inside.

They also had several different looking cave tilesets for that, I think they may have been retextures of the same cave meshes? Which is also a nice trick.

Sweet thread.

Morrowind had so much variety in dungeons. Oblivion on the other hand...

dude

there are 120 dungeons

realistically they CAN"T make 120 "dungeon" tool sets its impossible IMPOSSIBLE

6 people working on them is more than enough and 6 types are great

As many of us know, Oblivion had 1 developer working on dungeons, Skyrim on the other hand will have 8 or 10 devs working on this aspect. I hope they can do more orignal things. They have had more man-hours and less dungeons, so they should be better than OB.

Each template has many rooms and hallways, so with 8 or 10 developers, compared to the 1 we had in OB, I think we should expect to see alot more different rooms for each template.

Of course that happened in Oblivion too.

In Oblivion you could have Caves in Aylied ruins, Aylied ruins in Caves, Forts in caves, Caves in Forts, Waterfalls in Aylied Ruins, Lakes in Caves, Forests in caves, ships in caves, daedric temples in caves etc, etc.



... had as much or more variety. And hopefully Skyrim will have more yet. But six basic types is fine. Because a cave is a cave, But there could be unique features in many or all just like Morrowind and Oblivion.

Also - if a dungeon has a single cobweb different to all others, it's unique. But, don't tell the Devs that... then we get Dragon Age 2 again... the horror...

the good thing is that both morrowind and oblivion did not had cobweb dungeons.

I realize that... As I've said several times in this thread... Just the media about this game has been hyping "120 hand crafted dungeons", and I've seen interviews "like the G4TV E3 demo" where the interviewer clearly got the impression that all of these dungeons are completely unique. I haven't seen Todd Howard (Other than one interview, and I'm not sure it was a Todd Howard Interview) clarify that in fact there are only 5-6 types of dungeons. I've seen on this forum that some people expect these dungeons to be 100% unique.

HAHA thanks...

If I had to summarize my point, it is that: My gut feeling is that the dungeons are going to be MORE alike than has been implied in the PR.

Yah, the layouts will look similar. The interior will be different though.

1 artist developed more then 1 different type of dungeon in Oblivion... Alyied/oblivionplains/cave/sewer/fort ect was in 1 pack =) eitherway this hasnt been confirmed, and even if it is, its still alot more diverse then Oblivion......

6x artists x 6x packs + more then 1 dungeon type in each pack = more diversity then Oblivion.

Nehrim had mostly the same sort of dungeons as Oblivion, but managed to make almost all of the, feel very unique.

Well, the way it was explained to me is how Morrowind had Cave, Mine, Dwemer Ruin, Dunmer Ancestral Tomb, Dunmer Stronghold, Velothi Tower, and occasional combinations thereof. Oblivion had Cave, Ayleid Ruin, Ruined Fort, Oblivion Gate exterior, Oblivion Gate interior, Sewer and combinations. Skyrim will have Cave, Dwemer Ruin, ?, ?, ? and ?. Within each of these types in all the games were several unique things, so that the caves in the Bitter Coast were not the same as the caves in Sheogorad, or the Nibenese caves were not quite the same as the ones in the Valus mountains. Skyrim will likely be doing exactly the same thing.

It has been said that every dungeon is hand-crafted. Unless the construction set is actually worse than Oblivion's, this should mean that every room, door, and hallway will be hand placed by a level designer. Layouts will be unique for every dungeon.

Does the five or six include caves? Just wondering. Optimisitically, I would like to think that these types will be Nord Ruins, Dwemer Ruins, Daedric Ruins along the Morrowind border, Falmer Ruins, and Imperial forts, with detail variations in each. If it is indeed this many, that would still be a notable improvement over Oblivion, which only offered two main dungeon types, Imperial Fort ruins and Ayelid ruins, three to four types if you included bothcaves and the sigil towers in Oblivion.

I am just going to be overjoyed by 150 dungeons. Add on 15 to 20 more (or even more?) made by modders...this is just going to totally rock. I hope that modders can find it in themselves to make HUGE dungeons.

similarity between dungeons of a certain type is actually expected. say you have two ruined forts that were built by the Empire at roughly the same time period. they would be different based on factors such as geography, politics, and even resources, but they would be similar as well because they built by the same faction. same with elvish ruins and dwemer ruins.

I just hope most of these dungeons have like a mini boss and reasonable loot