Well, by this point since KotN, a lot of ideas about just who and/or what (not mutually exclusive) Pelinal might be have been floating around cyberspace. Now, they're all pretty fun, so I figured this thread could be made to talk about each idea and why each one may or may not be right. A few of my own favorites:

Pelinal is a monster-robot from the future. Hence the "kiling light," known in modern terms as a "laser." This needs some explaining, does this have anything to do with the magic technology of Akatosh's big spaceship thing? Also, if he is a robot, how can he be a spirit? is this a thing on the nature of sentient AIs like from Red vs. Blue?

Another: Pelinal is the Shezzarine. This could mean a lot of stuff, anything from Shezzar literally forming a human body for Himself to a simple person mantling Him, even perhaps accidentally. This makes a of of sense, since some folk (me included) consider Shezzar the space god, connected and in eternal opposition to Akatosh the time god. Hence his ability to literally unmake parts of the world. In general the most likely, IMO.

Yet more: Pelinal is simply human, but an ultra-[censored]. Cool and inspirational, but in a world like TES, only likely if the human mantled something really really big.

Another: Pelinal is a chaotic fusion of a human form, Akatosh and Shezzar together. This could be divine intention or, in what I think would be interesting, a human was mantling either akatosh or Sezzar (whitch one is immaterial) then realized that they were part of a greater whole (Let's throw that Enantinomorph thing in here, eh?), thus creating an unstable Meta-Mantling, hence being totally effin crazy.

Well, I have to go due to electrical storms in my area, but I hope you folks can have some fun with the crazy Divine Knight until I get back!

I quote:

If god sent down an avatar designed to kick ass, why wouldn't he make it a cyborg with unfair technology and more hitdice than everybody else?

Muthseras,

The Pelin-El is the manifestation of the first urgings, the unity of Time and Space that has its own divinity (called "NRN") and does not need the presence of the actual deity (deities?) to survive, as when the dream no longer needs its dreamer.

PELIN-EL AE NRN AE [ARENA]!

The battle continues on...


___The Word Merchant of Julianos

I can't seem to find my own, but I do recall saying I completely ignore word-of-god lore in TES. Takes all the discussing out, really.

EDIT PS: Let me rephrase a bit. I'm not one of those ffolks who says "not in the game, not lore" anymore. You all have the Aldudugga to thank for that but the difference between the Aldudugga and MK coming on and saying OOC "Yep, he's a robot" is that the Aldudugga is subjective, in character lore. As such it could be outright wrong, misinterpreted, mistranslated, or really mis-anything, and still be lore. That allows for intelligent, open-ended discussion beyond solid question-solid answer, which really is no fun at all. Yet another reason the novels should NOT be 3rd person omnicient unless it's presented the way the in-game books are.

PPS: Also, my literary philosophy is that the intentions of the writer are absolutely immaterial. Once the reader interprets it, the intentions of the writer are gone and meaningless. The Lottery, according to it's author, had no symbolism or underlying meanings at all. However, it does because the readers say it does. Kind of CHIM0my, if you ask me.

Fecund bastards of your grannies all,

You'll hear allot of lies talking about how strong and angry Pel-whatever-the-[censored] his name was, was. Don't listen. What real killer goes with a puny, goldie elf name in battle or wears a wrong shaped killing anyway? If he was a true bad ass, he'd be called Mauloch, who vomits on kind words and doesn't want to listen to stupid praises like some gods in here do.

Just know that the battle's been on and nearly done, and Mauloch's gonna cut this rot in two and read from the bones and bile. And after that, these king's words will stew with secrets in digestion, in Mauloch's guts, to come out his ass like a scimitar. For all Orcs will then see how we can take and form a truer shape, with a proper sword! And before it goes down, you'll all want to rub this [censored] on your faces and wail in shame to join us, but you and your fangless gods won't be spared the bone splintering. It'll be too late for you! Ha!

May Julianos' name sear your eyes and lips together like the after waft of Mutz gra'Funk's herald fart

And stop with the elf talk, its a [censored]


___The Hurt Merchant of Mauloch

To each his own. I (used to) put mustard on tacos. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks. I ain't gonna try to convert you.

Because transformers are cooler. Duh.

My obviously orsimer sera,

Mauloch-who-is-Malacath is the god of pariahs. I applaud you for striving to be such a good follower of his, for you are well on your way.



___The Word Merchant of Julianos

I'm glad to humor :hehe: It was a spoof on your roleplaying, which is pretty cool, and inspired by an orc creation myth posted on here somewhere.

Pelin-El was such a hero of the Rebellion, it is doubtless that any records about him would be influenced by such. Whether it was Alessia trying to make the champion of her rebellion sound cooler, or the Alessian order making him sound better than he was later, we know that he could not be everything they say he is. I don't doubt that he wasa great warrior with great armor and weapons, and he could have been a divine mix of Lorkhan/Shezzar and Akatosh, but we can't take things like the song at face value, as it is with all the lore. It's entirely possible he was the terminator, but very unlikely considering how much his character was skewed over time.

Break the dragon often enough, and everything can be true, and true can be everything. Primal existence dividing into IS/IS NOT and all that.

I love breaking Akatosh! I do it every Tuesday

Of course, the Numidium didn't walk for five different rulers simultaneously, that was an exageration. The Nerevarine never broke the enchantments on Lorkhan's heart, because gods' hearts are exagerations. Mehrunes Dagon's showdown with the avatar of Akatosh was an exageration, no eyewitnesses there.

The problem is, is that time travel in the ES universe becomes very inelegant what with the idea that there are artifacts that predict when and what major event will happen eons before it happened. Essentially, the Elder Scrolls will say: And a creature, carrying weapons from near the tip of the tail, will travel towards the head and butcher the masters of White-Gold when [correct star pattern aligns in the sky]. The Scrolls would then be predicting two events. Pelinal's arrival, and Pelinal's departure, since both are probably noticeable enough and significant enough for the Scrolls to document.

And don't give me that "He changed the future by changing the past" bit. The Scrolls make that impossible. If it's time travel, then it's going to be fatalistic time travel, which, as I said before, is inelegant.