No, I see that you either cant comprehend my easily understandable examples, or that you just want to argue for no reason. Jumping was most certainly not useless, nor was it some "fake" mechanic that you had to RP to see benefits from.

Easy on the words, gentlemen.

Well, my (last) words in this discussion is anyway that people "should stop thinking about what is most effective and useful in a singleplayer game, and rather think about something that matters in the game, to have fun!"

i noticed that in most games that don't allow jumping they are 3rd person. ME, the witcher, gears of war, etc are 3rd person. i believe doing the animations for jumping is tough to do, well not necessarily tough but tough to make it look cool! if a game doesn't need it, don't put it in. if it's gonna look goofy as [censored], don't put it in either.

I agree. We all dont play the same way. Nor should we, we are all individuals. Give me a tuber and I'll make somthing out of it. If we all used what was most effective, wed no longer need skills, or races, or anything. Just a linear action game. Something like Dark Messiah.

Honestly, I dont see them getting rid of the ability to jump high if thats who your build is.


Again, it was a viable strategy depending on who you are.

Technically, you're the only one arguing, and with underhanded personal attacks at that. But it's okay, I forgive you.



A fair point, but I'm not saying it wasn't the "Most" effective. I was saying it's ineffective. There's a difference. I want everything to be a viable strategy, not just a novelty. Some people are content with novelty for novelty's sake. I am not, and I will never be.

In Oblivion, it just wasn't a viable strategy, because it was often, if not always, more difficult to perform acrobatics-Jumping than not, resulting in a net-loss for effort. Thus it being a non-viable strategy. The question comes back to "Why". Why would I jump on the roof when I can just dart around and through the gate? Because I'm an "Acrobat"? That's not a gameplay reason.

How, perks is skill based as far as we know, we don't have general perks like cannibal or rabbit.
And if atributes is not just hidden it would be like adding the levitation effect in Oblivion.

Can't be certain without a full skill list, and more information on the mechanics of the game itself.


I will say this though, "Dagger" Perks are under "Sneak" instead of One-handed. (Particularly the Sneakstab bonus) so it's hard to draw any definitive, or at least likely conclusion right now. If I had to go "All in", I'd say it works like Fallout 3/NV, in that Jumping is more-or-less static, and might vary with your encumbrance and current equipment, which would be thoroughly disappointing, and precisely why I'd rather assume that.

The ability to pass stupid objects who block you way as fallen trees or low fences who both are common in real world and easy to bypass in real world simply by climbing over.
As we don't have climbing because it's hard to animate climbing every stupid everyday objects jump work just as well.
Tvtroopers has a lots of talk about impassable flowerbeds and how things who live on old bread is smarter.

As long as there are still houses, large rocks/boulders, trees and tall enemies in Skyrim, there will still be a reason to jump high. With its own strategies.

See, that's better. That shows jumping as a design necessity. Where games like Fable, Dragon Age, and Mass Effect would block your path with a tiny, ankle-high wall, that somehow your character can't vault over, TES games let you just sail right over. That's why Jumping will always be in the TES games as a tool of navigation because of their open nature.

Of course that doesn't mean the world is specifically designed with the idea of acrobatic gameplay. I'm just glad someone finally got it, and why/when Jumping is actually important for TES games, as opposed to, say, The Witcher 2.

im confident jumping will be in.

if not i will be really upset for my assassin because then i cant jump roof to roof as i escape the guards :brokencomputer:

Damn it, I was hoping he means jump on rocks and what not no longer made you a god to any melee mob.

I hope Bethesda will allow NPCs to jump now too. In Oblivion and FO3/New Vegas, I really hated how no one other than my character could jump. It just gets old when you figure out that NPCs can't jump because you can have your character jump on top of a large rock or something and fire away at your enemies below with them continuing to run into the rock. It would certainly provide a fresh change to the challenges in trying to retreat from foes if they can also jump over obstacles in their way.

Well if Eddie is God, and Todd is God, then is Eddie-Todd self loathing and takes his anger/self resentment out on us by not letting us jump? I dont think these claims are basesless at all check my math if you dont believe me! :read:

Those are three very bad reasons.

1) If ES werer other RPGS it wouldn't win GOTY

2) Jumping is dependent on the engine, not some useless skill.

3) Those were in Oblivion too

I'd like to say you're wrong, but I've said that a lot.
I remember in early january there were people who knew there wouldn't be spellmaking, and I said it was impossible.
Then some weeks later people said there were no attributes because game informer never mentioned them, and I said it was simply too meaningless to discuss.

I'd like to say you're wrong, but quite frankly I have a bad record with these things...

Ah...and now you see Bored...BUT! its not 2 out of 3 yet...so say he's wrong, go on!

He's wrong! He's wrong!!!

I really can't stand not being able to jump in any game, if for no other reason, simply because it's stupid to get stuck behind some small object on the ground that my character could obviously step over. I get why they do it. I just don't personally like it. It creates artificial barriers everywhere. If they did it in Skyrim I don't think I could stand playing it. All that open terrain and no way to play around jumping up on things just to see what I can get myself into. Not fun at all. One of the main sources of fun in Bethesda's games is just goofing around doing crazy stuff and not being able to jump up on things or over things would take away a good deal of that.

Something they desperately need to add though is a climbing ability like the Thief games had. That I would love to see in Skyrim.

Jumping will stay.

But as mentioned, using tools to scale mountains like "Cliffhangar" in MW2 would be neat.

If you jump the dragons will get you in midair! :dance:

You couldn't jump in the first Witcher game either, so are you really surprised you can't in the sequel? And why should that be taken as a reason to fear you won't be able to in Skyrim?

And I fail to see what the lack of acrobatics has to do with this, lots of games don't make jumping into a skill, but still have the ability to jump, and this isn't even only true for games that don't HAVE skills, where it's sort of obvious, even in RPGs were you can jump, you often don't have a skill for it, like say, Fallout 3, for example, you know, a game also made by Bethesda. In fact, I don't recall EVER playing ANY game that doesn't have the Elder Scrolls name on it which had a skill for jumping.

And the large amount of steep mountains doesn't have anything to do with it, because it's very easy to make mountains you can't scale by jumping, especially when the game features proper sheer cliffs, as we've seen in some screenshots, all you need to do is to make cliffs too high to jump over when you don't want people to scale them, and I'd argue that the rough terrain could also create some situations where jumping could be put to good use, such as having gaps you need to make a dangerous jump over or loot in some easily overlooked spot only accessable by jumping.

Am I 100% certain that jumping is in the game? No, not really, but I don't see any reason to assume it's not, and the reasons you offered are not good reasons to assume it's been removed.