I have found that if you just only smith with materials you find yourself instead of buying them from blacksmiths it feels more balanced and rewarding

Aaah, so its about it being a game, and a "gamer" approaches with a view of "beating the game", whereas a roleplaying game is defined more by the story. I have to disagree this is normal, because most gamers ADAPT to fit with the goals of the game.. and the goal of skyrim is not to 'beat it', and that should be obvious imo to any real gamer.

I'd hate to see you play the Sims, I can see you got the biggest house, and level 10 in your job, declared yourself the winner and uninstalled the game.

That might sound dismissive, but the fact is, like the Sims, Skyrim and a lot of games aren't there to reward you because you beat it, some games reward you for the journey.

This is why games like this are remain my favourite games. I can beat plenty games on hardest difficulty, but none satisfy me like an epic journey I can construct in a game like this.

This has been the philosohpy of every single Elder Scrolls game, ever.

In Daggerfall, you could use the class creation system to make an overpowered character.

In Morrowind, you could use alchemy and enchanting to make an overpowered character.

In Oblivion, you could use alchemy, enchanting, sigil stones, and certain quest rewards to make an overpowered character.

In Skyrim, you can use Smithing, Enchanting, and Alchemy to make a decently powerful character (though much less powerful than in previous games).

I don't disagree.

It does not really make a ton of sense. Bigger more complex pieces should net you more XP as you go along. Alchemy does this.

I bet they will implement something like it eventually as a minor fix to appease most everyone.

Doesn't really work when you can just push a button and become superman.

Smithing itself isn't all that overpowered; if you only use improved daedric you're likely not even at the armor cap, you're still getting 2-shotted by spells and your weapon will still take a good 20+ swings to kill anything even remotely powerful on master. Don't use blacksmithing enchants or potions and blacksmithing is very reasonable on master difficulty.

Affecting how a skill is leveled doesn't change the skill's ultimate effect on game balance. It only affects how long it takes to see the full effect.





What? What are you even talking about?

In addition to what SilverBulletKY said, I'll add that I disagree with the quote in your sig: "The game is a tool for your imagination. Bad roleplayers blame the tool.", and so it may be that you don't understand complaints of this nature because you think about the game differently on a more fundamental level. Games are, in my mind, very much so not tools. I don't get a game so that I can do the work in coming up with the content and deciding how to play it. I get a game because I want to play it.

My Morrowind character had 300,000 gold by level 7 from killing assassins and selling their gear. She was 100 in pretty much everything from throwing spells at trees, jumping in place, holding down the sneak key in the mage's guild main room, etc.

It's very easy to level EVERYTHING in these games. Bethesda actually made it more difficult to level these things in Skyrim. But hey, they can't smack our hands over everything- it's NOT easy to level smithing. Why don't you post how many hours you spent killing animals for leather and mining ore? That's powerlevelling, just like Morrowind.

Please stop blaming the game for your lack of willpower.

The main issues with smithing in my opinion are:

1. It's too easy to level
2. You can level it by spamming first tier items
3. The improvement values are a bit too good, it seems like they did not test enemies against fully upgraded equipment
4. Making stronger equipment, does not require exponentially greater amounts of rare and standard materials

You fail to understand roleplaying, then. Roleplaying is not "coming up with content." It's simply a guideline for how you perceive said content.

Does anyone disagree that the current state of smithing/enchanting/alchemy needs to be tweaked?

Yes.

the only game where I actually had to try pretty hard NOT to become overpowered.

You didn't play much of Morrowind or Oblivion, did you?

Or any previous Elder Scrolls title, for that matter.

You can only perceive the line "Do you go the cloud district often? What am I saying, of course you don't" so many ways.

Unless you do get a kick out of just sitting in your Breezehome with your housecarl pretending that you are having a meal. If you do, I would love to try whatever is it that you are smoking.

Care to share why you feel that way?

It's not your fault you can abuse the console commands.

It's not your fault you can install uber weapon mods.

You can only perceive it in one way. What differs is how you REACT to it.



Read my previous posts.

Getting the best armour in the game should not "exceed necessity". It should be a reasonable goal, and something that will give you the edge, not render everything else redundant.

I appreciate that you dont have to wear the best armour, or get the best gear for your characters, but loot is an intergal part of many RPGs including Skyrim. If you need to deliberately design a character to fix the game, you are larping and covering up for iffy game mechanics.

That said, I love the damned game - flaws and all!

Yes, I can either 1) murder or 2) pickpocket or 3) not murder.

Definitely, there is a fundamental difference in approach, and I know this sounds horribly arrogant, but 'beating' the game is the WRONG approach.

Like my Sims example earlier, (let's not get into the comparisons please, its an anology), its obvious that its not there to be beaten, its a tool for the player to use.. and people want to play a story.

I have a lot of respect for players who can examine mechanics and use them to their best advantage to beat a very difficult game, I do it myself, when the game calls for it. My point is that this game doesn't.

If someone can suggest a solution that doesn't punish players who take a more even handed approach, and doesn't force them to actively grind to compensate for those that deliberately grind, I'm all ears thou.. the more people have fun the better.

Correct, all of which are determined by your character's outlook.

Also, there are other options.

You could murder his wife.

You could sack his house.

Or, of course, as you said, you could just ignore him.

It wasn't as nearly as easy in those games, and you actually had to go out of your way.

Now I just have to level up sneak, conjuration, blacksmithing, or enchanting normally and it can happen by mistake.

It's naturally built in those skill, no exploit required. I don't recall becoming God with just sneak in the last 2 games.

None of these skills on their own are overpowered.

Also, in Oblivion, all you had to to to become overpowered was level up Alchemy.