I am confused. Guss and Talon have advocated that "as long as we are happy with our own system, that is all that matters." While that might be true, frankly it is not interesting. Are discussion forums made for everyone to sit around and agree with each other or are we more entertained by having a "discussion?"

Don't get me wrong, this does not mean we need to "flame" each other as AnkleBiter says. Challenging ideas and exchanging information is a very healthy way to communicate. Maybe I am wrong, I mean, I see a lot of post that show scars from previous forum massacres, to which there is an intense aversion to repeating. But debate has been used for centuries as a proven method of finding answers and expanding knowledge, as long as people can avoid the "Dumb, ignorant, n00b, stupid and moron" comments, and respect each other, there should be no problem.

I have spent a lot of time in college and the military as a psych tech so this sort of banter is harmless to me. Trust me, I get that not everyone can get on these forums and have their beliefs challenged and not take it personally. To those people I say, don't sweat it, this is common practice for the real world, take this opportunity now to practice having an opinion and don't be afraid to adjust it as new points of view are presented. And don't be nervous; people want to hear opinions, this is why we listen to talk radio or read the editorials. It is stimulating to hear a point of view and forces us to think. So the next time you hear someone give an opinion, thank them, and return the favor by sharing yours.

I presume we are talking about the previous topic?

Well, it's good to have a discussion, a debate. But it did go personal for a few of us, especially since we were talking about console vs PC gaming. And since this community was a PC community, it sort hit them hard.

I think it depends on how the topic is layered out. If it was full of swearing, some offensive comments etc. You would then be bound to get some people pissed.

But I can see where you're coming from. I must admit though, this community is PC based from the very beginning, and that topic about consoles being better than PC just lit up the flames.

It's good to have something interesting, but sometimes, people take it too far, if you can understand.

By the way, what is your full profession?

I totally agree with you , sadly, as you will know and given your background, you can please some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cant please all of the people all of the time. lmao, it does go too far at times here, I dont see whj it has to but there it is, crytek have seen fit to release the game on console also, and I have no problem with that, as I have previously said, it increases our community. while I am in favour," completely ", let it be a based on healthy topics, comments, and debate. My son and I, along with other mutual friends manage all this quite well. The one thing I would hate to see is a devided community here. you have a better way than I do, of expressing yourself, I had only Intended to point things the right way, and yes I have allready learnt a few good things here, as I had previously from Crymod, but yhis was hampered somewhat at times, by diversion and boast, that serves no purpose when it gets out of hand. My thanks for your comments.

Please excuse any typos, I will always make them, type was never my best subject, I was however, main battle tank trained, gun/sig/op. Bro,

@Sahdev_92,

Haha, you are totally right. Maybe if I were not spoiled by the consoles simplicity of use, like putting a disc in a playing immediately, I might game on PC more, but honestly I am just not that invested in it. Still it is the only place to play some of my favorite games like Crysis 1 and Command and Conquer. I feel like I understand the PC psyche a lot more now. Maybe it was more of a personal experiment, but there were a lot of valid points I did not consider before the post. I came to the conclusion that PC's are better for people that create a hobby out of not just gaming but harnessing everything a PC has to offer. It is like someone who likes to work on cars, they might not be in it just to drive around but for the deeper feeling you get from being part of a community of like minded people who appreciate the inner workings of the car. The camaraderie is intense. I imagine the bond with a personally built computer is very strong. So in that respect I learned a lot.

[quote]By the way, what is your full profession?[/quote]

I was Hospital Corpsman (Neuropsychiatric Tech) in the US Navy for 8 years, got bored and now I am in my sophomore year of video game programming school. Very fun.

There is a line between discussion and argument. Don't advocate one thing in one post and sound good only to go against what your saying in another post.

Yes we all have our consoles and why we like them and yes it is all that matters, but we can still disagree on what is better and so on.

Don't go around saying this system svcks or doesn't count. Just to let you know the N64 and Atari were the BEST in their hayday as well, but now they "svck". no it's because their time has come and gone, but we all have what we like. Personally N64 was the S*** but that's my opinion and i will defend it.

To each his own yes, but don't bash consoles, especially when you wouldn't want anyone to diss your opinion of your console

Consoles vs. PC is never a good topic to breach, as it gets people angry. I agree that we could discuss it, but the way you came out of the box with that topic felt like a personal attack to the PC community, and I stood up to defend my position. Those kind of topics are usually not a good topic to discuss, as they always get heated quickly. You are better off talking politics here than Console vs. PC, that's how strongly many of us feel on this subject.

To me, consoles are a threat to PC gaming and induces bad game developing, which is why i acted defensive. I dont mean to offend anyone, its just my opinion and many people feel very strongly on the subject.

I see nothing wrong with creating a new thread if we can keep it civil.

[quote]There is a line between discussion and argument. Don't advocate one thing in one post and sound good only to go against what your saying in another post.

Yes we all have our consoles and why we like them and yes it is all that matters, but we can still disagree on what is better and so on.

Don't go around saying this system svcks or doesn't count. Just to let you know the N64 and Atari were the BEST in their hayday as well, but now

they "svck". no it's because their time has come and gone, but we all have what we like. Personally N64 was the S*** but that's my opinion and i will defend it.

To each his own yes, but don't bash consoles, especially when you wouldn't want anyone to diss your opinion of your console[/quote]
Consoles svck

Haha, I just contradicted myself.

Its usually not a good topic to discuss, but if we all stay civil maybe we can talk about it.

@AnkleBiter,

Listen, I get where you are coming from, but I am sorry, you are totally missing the mark my friend. I don't think anyone bashed any other console, I certainly didn't, PC or otherwise. Does a low review of a video game "bash" that game or does it instead give a observations and conclusions based on them in an effort to persuade. Fact is, not all games are created equally and neither are gaming consoles, I'm sorry. People made their preferences known just like you just did. If you prefer "Shout out" threads, thats your preference and I'll stay clear of them if you like. I would rather share ideas since there are so many really smart cool people on these forums. It is a great opportunity to learn about our fellow gamers.

Honestly, it sounds like this is really hitting a nerve with you, you have almost become the opinion police. You have taken the "Politically Correct" mentality and given it a militant twist. And I didn't complain about anyones opinion of the 360 or PS3 or even PC. Seriously, chill out bro, get off your high horse and loosen up with us honest country folk.

BTW, Argument is not a bad word.

Argument: 1) A course of reasoning aimed at demonstrating truth or falsehood. 2) A coherent series of statements leading from a premise to a conclusion.

P.S. It is people like you AnkleBiter whom opinion I value most, because I know that morally driven people like you are going to be honest and respectful. So take off your "Trolling Police" badge because you got the wrong guy.

Quote from Talon95 "Lol. We all have our platforms, people just don't like it when someone says that their system is better than everyone elses. Well, except the Wii. Nintendo should burn for that pos. Crash and burn. "

So you never bashed a console huh? you never said anything about bad reviews... besides the Wii has sold more than the PS3 or the Xbox 360 so wherever you are getting your numbers from my friend you might want to check your source.

No one is militant here but you, trying to enforce your opinion.... dictators do that. i dont need you in someone else's thread telling me your going to steer clear, just do it, don't need to bump your post count by announcing it.

Never been one to reverse my judgement, while I am all for healthy debate, and topical discussion, I see no point in division through hostile comments. My wish in all comments on this subject, has been to pacify the abundance of aggresion when it comes to this topic.. I did once jump on my Sons console and so did he, hard. but it was allready busted, I did buy him a new one. lol. my point all along has been we are gamers. in a community, and should get on better, when i say at least we all can now get the game and and play howerver we wish on whatever we wish, and that should not be a problem, it is more preferable than intense slanging matches!!!... healthy debate, genaral discussion, and a place to learn and share. I have done all these here, its fantastic, dont want to see it ruined. In my own humble opinion, unless things can be discussed / debated reasonably the whole console/ pc thing is a waste of flaming time, ((excuse the pun)) There are many other topics raised and to come.

I think you are confusing Talon and I (who is Enfadel) This is my thread... and I have a Wii and use it primary for when I have a party because it is perfect for group gaming, so fun. It doesn't bother me that talon is gently prodding (as evidenced by the after the quote) the Wii, it is inferior in a lot of ways, hands down and very gimmicky, that being said, where it is superior, it does with such mastery, there is no competition.

AnkleBiter, you seem to be getting really upset, but it is impossible for me to get an idea of your tone since we have to read. I get the idea that you are freaking out. Don't. There are a few people here you get it. Talon, Guss and SahDev are all masters of walking the fine line of relevant, compelling discussion. So relax, we are comrades here.

My above post was directed at AnkleBiter last post, not Guss600.

[quote]

AnkleBiter, you seem to be getting really upset, but it is impossible for me to get an idea of your tone since we have to read. I get the idea that you are freaking out. Don't. There are a few people here you get it. Talon, Guss and SahDev are all masters of walking the fine line of relevant, compelling discussion. So relax, we are comrades here.[/quote] @Enfedel, you make me laugh so much some times my friend, lmao, I am by no means a master, infact i frequently fall from that fine line, lol, but also agree, when I visit distant family, we can frequently be seen in front of the T.V. with our controllers getting some quality Wii time in. and in truth, they were one of the first to damage the T.V. through not using the strap. ( I was not there ) but hell I laughed when i heard

You guys think I'm freaking out. I won't be here if I was freaking out. anyone can put and kid around. It's only because you know each other do you stick up for him.

I personally don't care what any of you have to say, you in no way shape or form affect me or how I plan on playing this game.

Don't take me for naive and think you are for the good of all gamers, especially when you bash them.

Grow up kid

[quote]You guys think I'm freaking out. I won't be here if I was freaking out. anyone can put and kid around. It's only because you know each other do you stick up for him.

I personally don't care what any of you have to say, you in no way shape or form affect me or how I plan on playing this game.

Don't take me for naive and think you are for the good of all gamers, especially when you bash them.

Grow up kid[/quote]@ AnkleBiter >>Who Guys. ?? or @?? I hope I didnt offend, I was merely walking that fine line yet again,and was only refurring to the latter part of that quote, while i walked that fine line that should be clear, dont be offended by me. I dont think anyone here is that naive,

@AnkleBiter

Fair enough. I thought you were the kid though. I'm 30 and still a little childlike yes, I agree. My wife and I are going to see Grown Ups with some friends later today, I have a feeling the story line is going to feel very personal for me.

It seems like there are a lot of assumptions in your post which seem to me, unfounded. Like:
[quote]I personally don't care what any of you have to say, you in no way shape or form affect me or how I plan on playing this game.[/quote]
There has been no such attempt to do so. No one is trying to change you, we like you just the way you are.
[quote]It's only because you know each other do you stick up for him.[/quote]
I don't know any of these guys. They just experience rational thought.
[quote] i dont need you in someone else's thread telling me your going to steer clear, just do it, don't need to bump your post count by announcing it.[/quote]
You kicked me out of your post with this comment, "I asked for an Xbox 360 shout-out not a flame war. If you have nothing positive to say I'm asking you to please leave." Which was valid, so that's why I mentioned it in between my 2 other points on that post in my thread. So there is no trying to "bump my post count." Thats crazy.

P.S. Post number 51! Yeah baby! Eat that!

Speechless with laughter, thinks, > dang this is more entertaining than Barrack room banter,> Decides not to walk anyfurther along this fine line just now, so as not to fall off again , but would love to be the fly on the wall at Enfadels friends, will be great entertainmnent,

I'm not going to step into this discussion since I have a wall of text to read, but uh...

Well, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day, so really, whatever you say wouldn't really affect everybody. But yeah, Console V PC is a bad topic to talk/debate.

Hopefully we all can put this stuff behind us. There will be some of us who are always, in fairness, defending one platform, but there will be others who won't. But I'm not fussed as long as we speak it in a civil manner.

[quote]I'm not going to step into this discussion since I have a wall of text to read, but uh...

Well, I believe everyone is entitled to their own opinion at the end of the day, so really, whatever you say wouldn't really affect everybody. But yeah, Console V PC is a bad topic to talk/debate.

Hopefully we all can put this stuff behind us. There will be some of us who are always, in fairness, defending one platform, but there will be others who won't. But I'm not fussed as long as we speak it in a civil manner. [/quote] Cheers @ Sahdev_92 another posative statement,

To be really fair, all round, it was cryteks decision to encompass other platforms, dont got no problem with that here, and I do try to avoid verses topics, I have an example, it has been proven that some young ppl who get high performance cars dont always get the best gas/miles. but on the other hand, some older ppl who get high performance cars, dont always drive as fast. and this has nothing to do with it, lmao, but hell its as far away from the topic as i could get . gnite y'all.

Hehe, I was joking about the Wii thing.

I will give my pro's and con's for each platform, from my perspective. I do like the PC a lot, however, so I might have more pros for it.

Nintendo Wii.

Pros: great party device, sports games are awesome fun, cheap, casual.

Cons: Incompetent hardware, lack of buttons limit game genre choices, child oriented console.

Sony Playstation 3.

Pro's: BluRay, multimedia, cheap, user interface

Cons: dated hardware, limited freedom, pricy games.

Microsoft Xbox360.

Pros: user interface, friends, multimedia, cheap, controller design

Cons: dated hardware, costly networking, limited ifreedom, pricy games

Microsoft Gaming PC.

Pros: cheap games, superior hardware, enthusiast community, multitasking, multimedia, modding, dedicated servers, open command console, freedom, mouse & keyboard allow more commands and more precise controls (keep in mind there is gamepad support)

Cons: cheating, initial cost of system, user interface (there isn't one. ), learning curve.

There, my perspective breakdown of each system.

The previous thread never really had much of a chance as it began it's journey with "Console is better than PC, period". If you open a topic in such a fashion, it's going to be immediately massacred by many people around here who strongly disagree, for whatever reason. So, you did yourself no favours there.

The thread had dwindled into a course of "yo momma" jokes, as light-hearted fun as that may have aimed to be, it was mostly filled with spam and had pretty much reached the bottom of the hill.

Console vs PC debates on this forum, i'm sure are going to be fairly frequent as this is a massive PC community being introduced head first with console players. However, if the topics can't stay on track and if it turns abusive or spammy then people must expect the threads to be removed/moderated.

tl;dr - Keep it friendly, on topic and spam free and i'm sure the threads will survive.

yeah..and this is why I dont do forums.. same **** everywhere you go.. Just gimme some new media on C2..