I just noticed... does the "frame" dealie around all the Destruction icons remind anyone else of a Daedric Crescent at all? It's commonly associated with Dagon... the prince of Destruction.

Do any of the icon frames for the other schools have symbolism for anything else?

conjuration is the deadric letter O. I think it's nothing more than looking cool. Morrowind's icons functioned the same way, only using dunmer imagery.

You're probably the best person to answer that. I never noticed, anyway.

If I had to take a wild, crazy guess - I'm going out on a limb here, so bear with me - I'd say the icon symbolizes the school of magic they're assigned to.

In that case, the Daedric Crescent is the perfect symbol of Destruction.

On the topic of Symbolism here, has anyone taken a look at the marking on the Daedric Pauldrons in Morrowind? http://members.shaw.ca/rado907/armor/heavy/mor-daedarmor.jpg was the clearest image I could find. It's the same sun symbol that the Mythic Dawn uses.

Magnus (aka the Leaper King) became Dagon, so he has an inclination for the sun.

What? Where does it say that the Leaper King is Magnus? I'm actually very curius; if I missed it in my 27.5 read-throughs of the 7 flights I must read it again.

I'm almost 100% positive Magnus is NOT the Leaper King.

There is consistantly one actor who initially conspires with Lorkhan. The Greedy-Man distracts Alduin, while the Leaper King is saving pieces of the kalpa from the World-turning, to use in the next. This is a parallel to other myths, which record Lorkhan as having recruited Magnus early, as both the architect and engineer of the next kalpa, while he manipulates the remaining et'ada to sign on. The imagery of the King of Leapers being swallowed by Alduin is also similar to Magnus retreating to the last spiritual gradient, Aetherius. Outside Alduin, in the previous kalpa, he is the Leaper King/Magnus, in the current kalpa he's Mehrunes Dagon. This isn't the first time an et'ada's been 'eaten' and become a Daedra.


It is a starting myth. Read it like you're reading from the Monomyth, and read the Varieties of Faith as a companion.

Oblivion Portals also looked like an Oth. Didn't pay attention though.



Very nice line of thought, but....

The leaper appears to be the Aurbis frivolous children. Magnus and the others were more stable. It was Lorkhans deception to appear as one of them. Another problematic point is Dagons position as King of the leapers, which would actually be Auriels position.

Finally it doesn't work well with the commentaries where Dagon was created by Magnus children to deliver them.



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Ofcourse you can bend that last bit in by noting that Magnus was the first to rebel against Lorkhan, the first revolutionary.

Magnus being Dagon just... doesn't compute. Magnus went "screw you guys I'm going home" back to Aetherius after he found out just what Lorkhan's plan entailed. Dagon is about as Padomaic as you can get. I don't see the connection at all.

I'm going to play Subadims advocate now. I think it's important to not just understand what the connection is but also the framework that is used to make it.

The idea of these connections is that they are made by association and relations. You might have a mythological story with completely different actors, names, text, actions, just about everything but if the relations are the same, it's fair chance that people involved are also the same.

Going by the Aldudagga, the Leaper Demon King (before he was anything like Dagon at all) hung out with Lorkhan (the Greedyman). They jumped about stealing bits of the world, to stick them back on in the next Kalpla. They did this a few times until they broke Alduin who couldn't eat any more Kapla because it became to big. For this Alduin laid down a load of whoopass on the Leaper and the Greedyman. The Greedyman was trapped and our Leaper became Dagon. So far everything is fairly uncontroversial and it mimics the creation of Mundus in every way.

Now the relation Subadim identified is that of the first follower. In one version Magnus was the first and the foremost designer of Mundus. He is the first person who sees the advantages of Lorkhans ways. This is a position quite similar to that of the Leaper. He was there at the start and participated.

So based on this relation, Subadim posits the hypothesis that the Leaper (before he was Mehrunes) is actually Magnus. They appear to have the same relation after all.

I hadn't thought the King of Leapers could implicate Auriel, but then, Auriel became an Aedra, not a Daedra, in the new kalpa.


I interpret this as Magnus (for he was tattered by retreating to the last kalpa, and these are the Magne Ge*), cursed to be Dagon, in the 'stomach' - sub-creational gradient/current kapla - of Alduin.


Nice, hadn't thought of that one.


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Magne Ge, anyone?

Are "The Fights" considered actual canon?


They seem kind of amateur, containing such lines as "you stupid little f*cker, do you even know what would happen if that happened?"


I never took them seriously, but people seem to reference them as if they're actual canon, so I wasn't sure.

They are. The style of writing is meant to be Nordic, and they ain't the fanciest guests at the party.

Gotcha, thanks. Just never seen real-life phrases and curse words in TES. Seemed out of place. Now I know.