I noticed something that doesn't make sense. : V

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:44 am

Why in the world is alchemy now considered a stealth skill? It should be considered a magic skill!

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:24 am

Why in the world is alchemy now considered a stealth skill? It should be considered a magic skill!

Poisons go with stealth

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:11 pm

Just to make it 6 combat 6 stealth 6 magic. In Oblivion it was 7 of each.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:28 pm

Why in the world is alchemy now considered a stealth skill? It should be considered a magic skill!

I didn't know it was considered a stealth skill. Huh.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:53 am

It's a stealth skill because magic and combat (Is that what it's called? O.o) have Enchanting and Smithing respectively, and it wouldn't be balanced if magic had 2 creation skills and sneak had none.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:06 am

Magic Already has a crafting skill in enchantment, It's a stealth skill because Assassins will get the most out of poisons as well as potions.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:51 am

Why should it be considered a magic skill? What is so magical about mixing up ingredients?

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:22 pm

balance. they couldn't give magicka 7 and give stealth 5 and combat 6 could they?

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 9:54 am

Why should it be considered a magic skill? What is so magical about mixing up ingredients?

Whats so stealthy about mixing up ingredients?

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:43 am

Gameplay reasons.

Besides it makes more sense for it to be in stealth than it to be in magic. It's used more in conjunction with stealth kills rather than throwing spells at someone!

Also it's not like Speechcraft and Mercantile being stealth skills makes sense. (No idea if they changed that in Skyrim though, I don't really keep myself up-to-date on this.)

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 1:04 am

Whats so stealthy about mixing up ingredients?

What's so combative about making stuff out of metal?

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:06 pm

Whats so stealthy about mixing up ingredients?

making sure the guards don't bust you for grinding up that moon sugar into a potion.

Guard: Stop! You Criminal Scum, This is the third Moonsugar lab that You Dovahkiin has, Pay the fine or Do the Time!

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 6:04 am

Why should it be considered a magic skill? What is so magical about mixing up ingredients?

Ask the witches in traditional tales carrying mortars and pestles and throwing random stuff in cauldrons.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 6:17 pm

What's so combative about making stuff out of metal?

Because then you use that armor and weapons you made out of metal for combat!

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 10:09 am

making sure the guards don't bust you for grinding up that moon sugar into a potion.

Guard: Stop! You Criminal Scum, This is the third Moonsugar lab that You Dovahkiin has, Pay the fine or Do the Time!

Nah man, thats uh, thats uh, uh not mine man, I was just holding it... for a friend. Name?... uh, it was this uh... Redguard dude...

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:43 am

To be honest I don't even know why they still so insist on using the "Warrior, Mage, Thief" archetypes thing. There are no classes anymore and so trying to fit skills into three equally distributed categories seems just utterly pointless to me. By the same token, why is Speech a "stealth" skill? This seems awfully forced. The designers would have done everyone and themselves a favour ditching the concept of profession-related categories of skills entirely. Without this restriction they wouldn't have had to go out of their way to fit an equal number into each and perhaps, just perhaps, we'd have a much larger and more varied skillset now.

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 8:39 pm

Apothecaries were usually seen as magical shops in Oblivion, IIRC. The thieves den and assassin places also had poison merchants.

I agree w/ what has already been said though. Balance. It's as much of a stealth skill, as smithing is a combat skill.

EDIT: Agree with post above me ^^^ :foodndrink:

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 7:29 am

exactly it's mixing ingredience not magic so makes sense that a stealth character would use alchemy with poision making

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 3:31 am

Because then you use that armor and weapons you made out of metal for combat!

Just like you use the poisons for stealth kills, not for throwing spells?

» Sun Oct 02, 2011 11:45 pm

Because then you use that armor and weapons you made out of metal for combat!

When do you use those potions for casting spells?

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 8:23 am

Ask the witches in traditional tales carrying mortars and pestles and throwing random stuff in cauldrons.

My wife throws random crap in pots all the time but I think shes trying to upgrade her cooking skill not her alchemy skill... then agian I think half that crap might be a poison...

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 5:10 am

To be honest I don't even know why they still so insist on using the "Warrior, Mage, Thief" archetypes thing. There are no classes anymore and so trying to fit skills into three equally distributed categories seems just utterly pointless to me. By the same token, why is Speech a "stealth" skill? This seems awfully forced. The designers would have done everyone and themselves a favour ditching the concept of profession-related categories of skills entirely. With this they wouldn't have had to go out of their way to fit an equal number into each and perhaps, just perhaps, we'd have a much larger and more varied skillset now.

I agree with this!! Amen brutha!

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 12:34 am

Yea, alchemy is pretty grounded in hard science. Rangers love their live-off-the-land nature potions, political spies and agents love their poisons. Well, this is TES, so semi-pseudo-retro-magico-science. Plus, it's a pretty minor change. The return of Enchanting is the new magic-craft.

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:04 am

Why should it be considered a magic skill? What is so magical about mixing up ingredients?

Why should it be considered a stealth skill? What is so stealthy about mixing up ingredients?

» Mon Oct 03, 2011 2:05 am

Why should it be considered a stealth skill? What is so stealthy about mixing up ingredients?

That entirely depends if you're tresspassing in the Alchemy station!