npc's and player disappear on hit : IV

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:29 pm

i have a question...

i just did a fresh FCOM installation, but ever since, when i hit a pc, and he doesn't die from my first hit, he disappears into nothingness. when i use the tcl command in console, and look under the ground, he isn't there. the same happens with me, when i get hit, i disappear, i can't see anything but my weapon i'm holding and everywhere is a green-brownish color. also, a breath meter appears and starts to count down, and i cant do anything to make that disappear again...

here's my load order btw:

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Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  Jog_X_Mod.esm02  ScreenEffects.esm03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm05  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]06  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]07  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]08  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]09  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0A  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]0B  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]0C  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm0D  Progress.esm  [Version 2.2]0E  CM Partners.esm0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.7]10  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]11  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp12  DLCShiveringIsles.esp13  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]18  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  Fran Armor Add-on.esp1A  Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp1B  FranOBSEConfig.esp  [Version 0.5]1C  LoadingScreens.esp1D  Natural Selection.esp  [Version 1.0]1E  Rainbows.esp1F  WindowLightingSystem.esp20  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp21  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]22  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.2]23  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]24  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]25  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]26  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.1.1]27  Landmarks, w Wells.esp  [Version 1.11]28  HouseMapMarkers.esp29  sr_super_hotkeys.esp2A  DLCHorseArmor.esp2B  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]2C  DLCOrrery.esp2D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2E  DLCVileLair.esp2F  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]30  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp31  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]32  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]33  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp34  PTArtifacts.esp35  Silverware Weapons - FCOM.esp36  SteelHalberd.esp37  DMRA  Skimpy Armor Expanded.esp38  DMRA Stock Clothing Skimpy.esp39  DMRA Stock Robe Skimpy Replacer.esp3A  XiaNewAmuletsV1.esp3B  R18PN - Lingeries.esp3C  DLCThievesDen.esp3D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]3E  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]3F  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]40  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]41  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp42  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]43  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp44  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]45  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]46  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]++  OOO_XiaNewAmulets Addon.esp  [Version 0.5]++  OMOBS.esp  [Version 1.0]++  OMOBS_SI.esp  [Version 1.0]47  OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp  [Version 1.0]++  ArmamentariumLLVendors.esp  [Version 1.35]48  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]49  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]++  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4A  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]++  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]4B  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4C  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]4D  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Pests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Swarms.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4E  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]4F  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Undead Rise.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Uberhulks.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]50  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]51  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]52  Mart's Monster Mod.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]53  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]54  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]55  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]++  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp  [Version 0.9.9]56  FCOM_Archery.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_ArcheryArmamentarium.esp  [Version 2]++  FCOM_ArcheryRealSwords.esp  [Version 2]57  FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp  [Version 0.9.9]58  FCOM_MoreRandomSpawns.esp  [Version 0.9.9]59  FCOM_MoreRandomItems.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]5A  Castle Ravenpride.esp  [Version 1.01]5B  Cyrodiil Transportation Network WZ.esp5C  Ivellon.esp  [Version 1.5]5D  300_Regal_Imperial_City.esp5E  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]5F  Bjornheim.esp60  Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp61  Extended Chorrol.esp62  Extended Skingrad.esp63  300 White Stallion 4 - OOO.esp64  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp65  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp66  ShadowfangKeep.esp67  thievery.esp68  thievery - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]69  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp6A  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]6B  DLCFrostcrag.esp6C  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]6D  Knights.esp6E  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]6F  TOTF.esp70  RTT.esp71  The Lost Spires.esp72  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp73  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp74  Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]++  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]75  mythsandlegends.esp76  bartholm.esp77  bartholm - EE patch.esp  [Version 1.0]78  Millstone_Farm_COBL.esp79  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp++  FCOM_FighterGUnited.esp++  FCOM_UnofficialFranArmorAddon.esp  [Version 0.9.9]7A  RedBag - Imperial City Pack.esp7B  Cliff_CountyNames.esp  [Version 1.1]7C  TFE.esp7D  TFE Cobl Glue.esp7E  ConduitMagic.esp7F  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]80  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.89]++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]81  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]++  bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp  [Version 1.5]82  FearsomeMagicka.esp83  Vector.esp  [Version 0.1]84  Enchantment Enhanced.esp85  attack and hide medium v2.0.esp86  RenGuardOverhaul.esp87  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]88  Duke Patricks - Double Arrow Nock Shot.esp89  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp8A  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp8B  ProgressMBSP.esp  [Version 2.0]8C  ProgressSBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]8D  ProgressRBSP.esp  [Version 1.0]8E  ProgressRacial.esp++  SW01.esp++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]8F  Hidden_Elves.esp  [Version 1.1]90  Elves Of Lineage II.esp91  CM Partners.esp92  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.52EV-D]93  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVStartspells.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]94  bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp  [Version 1.68EV]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFangs.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalMoreEyes.esp  [Version 10]95  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversity, Beautification.esp  [Version 10.0EV-D]++  bgBalancingEVOptionalFCOMAdditions.esp  [Version 10.]96  bgBalancingOptionalNPCDiversityKvatchRebuilt, for Wrye Bash.esp  [Version 9.0EV-D]97  bgBalancingEVOptionalNPCDiversityLAME.esp  [Version 10.5EV-D]98  bgIntegrationEV.esp  [Version 0.993]++  Francesco's day lenght rescale 1-16.esp99  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]9A  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp9B  ScreenControls.esp++  Enhanced Economy - Soulgems.esp  [Version 1.0]9C  MiniMap.esp9D  Vacuity.esp  [Version 0.2]9E  Bashed Patch, 0.esp++  SWalk.esp9F  kuerteeCleanUp.espA0  Streamline 3.1.espA1  vfbBathingSuite.espA2  Adorable Fan.espA3  Fighters Guild Sign Up Fix.esp++  Infamous Brotherhood.espA4  Remove Spell Effectiveness Cap.esp++  Respawning SI Amber & Madness Ore.esp++  Slow Arena Combatants.esp++  Weightless Ring of Silence.esp++  ArenaUnlimitedv1.0.espA5  Soul Gem Bigger Capacity.espA6  SummonLockpicks100.espA7  ZTBOWS.espA8  Feather Ring.esp

oh yeah, feather ring is a self-made mod that just adds a ring with a hell lot of feather to the entrance of the arcane university.

does anyone know what makes it happen?

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:44 am

HrmnsOblivionScriptOptimizationv1.0.esp <-- remove this

This sounds like it could possibly be a shader problem. I do not recognize a lot of that stuff at the bottom, and neither does BOSS. Could you deactivate all of those for now, including your ring? Disable all of the possibly mess with shaders (not the actual shadrers) mods too: LAME's shader add-ons, ScreenEffects, Enchantement Enhanced maybe, and Fearsome Magicka.

Mart's Monster Mod.esp <-- do not use with FCOM
OMOBS Optional Combat Settings.esp <-- not needed with OOO/FCOM (Where are the rest of the OMOBS plugins)

http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/index.php?page=know_how_to#PostYourLoadOrder through Wrye Bash. Do you have a BSA for MMM? What is the name of your FraNewItems BSA (and you should only have one BSA for Fran.) What is Natural Selection?

» Thu Oct 14, 2010 1:27 am

thanks for the quick reply. i'll try the thing with the shaders right now.

the rest of the OMOBS plugins are merged with the bashed patch and virtually active... or shouldn't they be merged?

yes i do have a bsa for mmm (FCOM_Convergence_Mart'sMonsterMod.bsa). the FraNewItems i downloaded is the one from the UFCOM thread (the optimised one; it's called FCOM_Convergence_FraNewItems.bsa)

natural selection is an addon for trollf's loading screens.

really hope it helps, it's kinda annoying

thanks, thanks and another thanks

EDIT: changed my mod list, i figured adding another load order would be a little annoying, so check above for the wrye bash load order

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 2:14 pm

thanks for the quick reply. i'll try the thing with the shaders right now.

the rest of the OMOBS plugins are merged with the bashed patch and virtually active... or shouldn't they be merged?

yes i do have a bsa for mmm (FCOM_Convergence_Mart'sMonsterMod.bsa). the FraNewItems i downloaded is the one from the UFCOM thread (the optimised one; it's called FCOM_Convergence_FraNewItems.bsa)

natural selection is an addon for trollf's loading screens.

really hope it helps, it's kinda annoying

thanks, thanks and another thanks

EDIT: changed my mod list, i figured adding another load order would be a little annoying, so check above for the wrye bash load order

You can post as many LOs as you want. All that matters is that they are current. Use [spoiler][/spoiler tags if you want to help with the space management. You still need to get rid of those other two plugins I pointed out. The main MMM plugin, cannot be used with FCOM. Remove it, and there is no reason to have that third OMOBs module. The other two are fine with stats imported. They do not even need to be merged. If you use the Bashed Patch, it is more helpful to always post with Wrye Bash. I had no clue that the other OMOBs plugins were installed with that first list.

Edit: What is the vector thing?

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:19 pm

You can post as many LOs as you want. All that matters is that they are current. Use [spoiler][/spoiler tags if you want to help with the space management. You still need to get rid of those other two plugins I pointed out. The main MMM plugin, cannot be used with FCOM. Remove it, and there is no reason to have that third OMOBs module. The other two are fine with stats imported. They do not even need to be merged. If you use the Bashed Patch, it is more helpful to always post with Wrye Bash. I had no clue that the other OMOBs plugins were installed with that first list.

Edit: What is the vector thing?

oh yeah, forgot to delete MartsMonsterMod.esp and the omobs plugin, i will do it now now. the omobs plugins aren't merged, im sorry for the confusion, they just have stat's imported.

vector is a disease engine overhaul (http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25835)

EDIT: oh and btw, most of the mods boss doesn't recognize are small mods from a mod called small mods (http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19729) i have removed them now, they weren't that important to me

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:55 am

i think i know what might have caused it: tejon's Fatigue Effects. i remember now that it all started since i installed that mod 3 days ago

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:34 pm

i think i know what might have caused it: tejon's Fatigue Effects. i remember now that it all started since i installed that mod 3 days ago

Edit: Nevermind, it does not. Do you have OBSE 18 installed? I would still check the INI settings. Try turning various things off or something...

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 4:12 pm

bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
You only use this if you're loading supreme magic after lame

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
There's a tweak like this in the Bashed Patch so you can get rid of this and use the one in the Bashed instead

Get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15677, but I dont know if it helps

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:42 pm

bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp
You only use this if you're loading supreme magic after lame

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp
There's a tweak like this in the Bashed Patch so you can get rid of this and use the one in the Bashed instead

Get http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15677, but I dont know if it helps

What is the Script Effect Silencer for? SM already includes that tweak. You only need to add that if you have something overriding SM's change to that record. If that works, it would be nice to know which mod was overriding the change. You can test that with TES4Edit.

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 10:58 pm

Edit: Nevermind, it does not. Do you have OBSE 18 installed? I would still check the INI settings. Try turning various things off or something...

but i didn't change anything except for rebuilding the bashed patch, or at least checking if it would merge/import TFE. then i started playing, and npc's disappearing...

» Wed Oct 13, 2010 11:53 pm

yes, removing TFE solved everything. everything is working again